22 pistol?

[phorvick]

I have shot or owned most of those talked about here:

Ruger: generally superb, accurate, no or very limited ammo issues

Beretta Neos: doofy looking to me, never a jam, no or very limited ammo issues

S&W 22A: never a jam; no or very limited ammo issues

AA Conversion for Glock: never a jam; some ammo issues; for the price, I would advise a dedicated .22 instead

S&W 41: superb..costly

S&W 422: inexpensive; never a jam; no or very limited ammo issues

CZ75 Kadet: superb; rarely jams; no or very limited ammo issues

[mmcnx2]

....I would get there early and shoot about 3 magazines at up to 100-200 yards to get in the zone....

A .22 at 200 yards, I'd like to see that, especially in a AR type platform. Is that 22 fitted with one of those lazer based things that just tells you if you would have hit the target if the bullet would have made it that far!

[jp8775]

....I would get there early and shoot about 3 magazines at up to 100-200 yards to get in the zone....

A .22 at 200 yards, I'd like to see that, especially in a AR type platform. Is that 22 fitted with one of those lazer based things that just tells you if you would have hit the target if the bullet would have made it that far!

I do not know if you know anything about CMP, but most of us have spotting scope that run $1500+ and yes, you can see hits with a .22 caliber at 200 yards with an 85mm spotting scope that has a 65X eye piece. I said I use it for practice (to work on trigger control) .I did not say to paste 1" groups.

[1911fan]

I have hit bucket sized clumps of dirt with an iron sighted ruger mk1 at 150yds or so. Mind you usually not one shot one hit. But I have been able to get one hit in three or so at that distance. As you get into it you can do better, hitting a nine inch paper plate at one hundred yards with a single six used to be pretty easy. Like everything, practice and conditions play into effect

[DeanC]

Anybody shoot the resurrected Whitney Wolverine yet?

[jp8775]

I have hit bucket sized clumps of dirt with an iron sighted ruger mk1 at 150yds or so. Mind you usually not one shot one hit. But I have been able to get one hit in three or so at that distance. As you get into it you can do better, hitting a nine inch paper plate at one hundred yards with a single six used to be pretty easy. Like everything, practice and conditions play into effect

Amen brother, as for seeing hits at 100 yds with a .22, you can see them with binoculars if you have good eyes. What does he think we do for practice in CMP run down to the target at 200 yds every time we want to see where we hit? Come to a shoot , we all have scope's so we can see if we got the hit we called. Also what does he think we use at 600 yds? It’s a service rifle, M16/AR15. That’s what we compete with up to 600 yds. I will tell you I am really impressed with dedicated .22 AR’s they are real accurate. The conversion’s suck because the twist is wrong.

[Snowgun]

No no no! you gotta get your hands on this sucker!


http://www.gunblast.com/KelTec-PMR30.htm

Thirty rounds of .22 WMR!

[mmcnx2]

I did not say you could not see 22 hits at 200 yards with optics, I said shooting a 22LR at 200 yds was a not practial practice for much of anything.

I've shot a number forms of competitive shooting, including silhouette, benchrest, .22 NRA style, USPSA and bullseye to name a few. And I've seen a number of methods for practice, and shooting a 22LR 200yds might be fun to try once or twice, but pumping 90ish rounds under those circumstances at matchs would not seem to provide alot of feedback for improving skills.

If it is or trigger time as you implied later, then shooting those same 90 rds at 50 feet or yards would also provide feedback on the result of your trigger actions.

[jp8775]

No no no! you gotta get your hands on this sucker!


http://www.gunblast.com/KelTec-PMR30.htm

Thirty rounds of .22 WMR!

I have had this on order just can't seem to get one. I agree this is real cool.

[goalie]

I did not say you could not see 22 hits at 200 yards with optics, I said shooting a 22LR at 200 yds was a not practial practice for much of anything.

I've shot a number forms of competitive shooting, including silhouette, benchrest, .22 NRA style, USPSA and bullseye to name a few. And I've seen a number of methods for practice, and shooting a 22LR 200yds might be fun to try once or twice, but pumping 90ish rounds under those circumstances at matchs would not seem to provide alot of feedback for improving skills.

If it is or trigger time as you implied later, then shooting those same 90 rds at 50 feet or yards would also provide feedback on the result of your trigger actions.

Shooting a .22LR at long range (150+ yards) can be a good way to practice reading the wind, especially if you are using good enough ammo that the vertical spread is reasonably small.

It can also be very frustrating.

[Ken]

M&P22 pistol anyone?

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010 ... 22-pistol/

Looks very promising and would be ideal practice gun if your main carry gun is an M&P of some sort.

[jp8775]

I did not say you could not see 22 hits at 200 yards with optics, I said shooting a 22LR at 200 yds was a not practial practice for much of anything.

I've shot a number forms of competitive shooting, including silhouette, benchrest, .22 NRA style, USPSA and bullseye to name a few. And I've seen a number of methods for practice, and shooting a 22LR 200yds might be fun to try once or twice, but pumping 90ish rounds under those circumstances at matchs would not seem to provide alot of feedback for improving skills.

If it is or trigger time as you implied later, then shooting those same 90 rds at 50 feet or yards would also provide feedback on the result of your trigger actions.

I said to get in the Zone go back and read what I said, If you can get groups any groups, practicing with a dedicated .22 AR platform, the same you are about to shoot you do not think it will help you 1 hour later when you have a $2500 NM rifle with a $300 2 stage trigger on it? You implied, and I was not the only one who assumed that, that you can’t hit or see your hits at 100-200 yards. Hey don’t use it for training I really do care, I just was conveying my experience. If you did compete, and I also did metallic silhouette hand gun with a 7mm XP100 with a custom walnut Fajen stock my two coaches told me any trigger time done properly with a gun capable of repeating the shot is never wasted time. I had the same gun in a .22LR for practice. Maybe they were wrong. Maybe I am wrong, hell I'm wrong. This is getting real far away from what this thread started out to be. I am sorry guys it's my fault. I should have never added the comment about the colt AR. It should have been in a different thread.

[jp8775]

Back on the .22LR pistols, I was reading on the ISSC web site that they recommend polishing the feed ramps, this is cool in a few ways, 1 I have never seen a factory recommend doing anything to their guns, and usually this voids the warrantee. And 2 it’s cool that they tell you to do something like this to improve performance. At the price they sell for, I got two more from Buds (thanks for the Idea) they can’t do stuff like that and keep it cheap. I did this to the ones I already have and used them in my class at Bills yesterday. It made a difference without a doubt. I just used a Dremel tool and a sand paper wheel. The gun does not like the Winchester 333 promotional ammo at all. I think it’s the ridge on the bullet that catches the feed ramp. Round bullets that are smooth are the best. I am using Federal Champion, the ones I n the blue box. I buy them in cases of 5000 as I use so many of them. They seem to work in all my .22LR stuff and are about $160 a case when I find them on sale, that’s $1.60 a box. I have got them as low as $1.10 a box when I buy at least 10,000 or two cases.

[plblark]

i'm looking to pick up a .22 pistol, been looking at the walther p22 or the sig mosquito. does anybody know any pros and cons with either of these guns or recommendations for maybe something different?

Thanks

the sigs are kinda picky on what ammo they will eat(mine and most of the range guns at Bill's only like CCI mini-mags and even then they are so so) and the front sights tend to disappear when you don't want them to.

My Walther's OK. Not real accurate and its had to go back 2 times for spring issues in the trigger mechanism. but it functions much better than the sig when it works.

I would not buy either of them again knowing what I know now.

Go with a Browning Buck Mark or Ruger MK2 (used) or MK3 if you really want it to work all the time

Seconded

[mmarino]

i ordered an ISSC M22 , some say is a great gun and other say it sucks. if it works, great i get a training pistol that resembles my Glock 19. and if it doesn't oh well live and learn... right.
p.s Joe thanks for all the info. i really appreciate it