The 9 versus 40 or 45

[1911fan]

Well it depends on which .38 you're talking about. .38 specials use .357-.358" sized projectiles. .38-40 and some others use a .401 sized bullet. Some old rounds were in the middle.

[macphisto]

Surely we're not talking about the ubiquitous .38 Special, but some other arcane .38 caliber cartridge.

[White Horseradish]

That .65mm difference doesn't exist. Both cartridges use .35 cal projectiles. Yes, the fact that it's called .38 Special is confusing. The actual difference in diameter is about two thousandths of an inch, depending on the bullet. I can't tell if you're confused, or just trolling. Maybe both?

And here we have a showcase for the deficiencies of American education.

.65 millimeters = 0.0255905512 inches. The .38 special is clearly bigger, as you have now admitted. I was right all along and .38 is better.

[macphisto]

That .65mm difference doesn't exist. Both cartridges use .35 cal projectiles. Yes, the fact that it's called .38 Special is confusing. The actual difference in diameter is about two thousandths of an inch, depending on the bullet. I can't tell if you're confused, or just trolling. Maybe both?

And here we have a showcase for the deficiencies of American education.

.65 millimeters = 0.0255905512 inches. The .38 special is clearly bigger, as you have now admitted. I was right all along and .38 is better.

Before you insult someone's education, you should really make sure you're right...you're not. Maybe I'll explain it to you when I'm in front of a full keyboard.

[goalie]

Good thing that guy in AZ had a 9mm or someone might have gotten hurt.

[gyrfalcon]

Good thing that guy in AZ had a 9mm or someone might have gotten hurt.

Don't they say something about .22lr killing more people each year in the US than any other round?

[White Horseradish]

Before you insult someone's education, you should really make sure you're right...you're not. Maybe I'll explain it to you when I'm in front of a full keyboard.

I am not wrong. You are just

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because I am so completely and utterly correct.

Next time you try to convince me watch the contradictions. First it doesn't exist, then exists. Now you see it, now you don't. What are you, a magician?

[Rip Van Winkle]

Before this gets out of hand. A 38 Special is not 38 caliber, it is 35 caliber. This is why you can fire 38 Special loads through a pistol chambered for 357 Magnum.

IIRC a longtime ago some marketing person at S&W decided that a 38 caliber pistol sounded better than the 35 caliber they came out with, thus the 35 caliber 38 Special was born.

And just for argument sake .357" = 9.0678mm.

[Dave Pendleton]

Good thing that guy in AZ had a 9mm or someone might have gotten hurt.

Don't they something about .22lr killing more people each year in the US than any other round?

I think it's actually the .357, but I do recall the .22 ranking unusually high probably because it is so common. I'm trying to find a citation...

[White Horseradish]

Before this gets out of hand. A 38 Special is not 38 caliber, it is 35 caliber. This is why you can fire 38 Special loads through a pistol chambered for 357 Magnum.

IIRC a longtime ago some marketing person at S&W decided that a 38 caliber pistol sounded better than the 35 caliber they came out with, thus the 35 caliber 38 Special was born.

Well, if you wanna get all serious here instead of discussing how much I rule, a quick look at the Hodgdon's online loading manual shows .38 special using .357, .358, and .359 bullets and 9mm Luger using nothing but .355. We still have a difference of .002 and I am still right. .38 Special is bigger than 9mm.

And just for argument sake .357" = 9.0678mm.

Which is .0678mm more than 9mm. Which means you also say it's bigger.

Guys, why are you starting off like you are somehow disproving what I said and then confirming my statement?

[EJSG19]

yep...

this caliber debate thread has proven 100% as useful as every caliber debate thread before it.

[Dave Pendleton]

Certainly someone here owns a micrometer. Post pics.

I do, but I don't have any .38 caliber ammo.

[goalie]

a quick look at the Hodgdon's online loading manual shows .38 special using .357, .358, and .359 bullets and 9mm Luger using nothing but .355. We still have a difference of .002 and I am still right. .38 Special is bigger than 9mm.

They are both "bigger" than my .308 as well.

Just say'n

[White Horseradish]

yep...

this caliber debate thread has proven 100% as useful as every caliber debate thread before it.

Did you seriously expect something different from a caliber debate?

[Holland&Holland]

Sadly my .375 H&H with 300 gr solids is smaller and therefore no match for .40 or a .45....