Police going back to 9mm?

[mnmike59]

Law enforcement style shooting is different. They have specialized teams for various situations. Without going into all the details, I will mention this. They need higher capacity not because many are undertrained, but they usually provide cover fire which allows teams to advance or retreat. This is one of the big reasons why capacity is important to law enforcement.

Try again.

I thought you would chime in on this one.

[mnmike59]

Scott county went to 9mm because they liked the penetration they saw in the testing.

What load?

Federal Hydra shok

[mnglocker]

I like Federals 140gr FMJ truncated cone 9mm sub-gun loads. They whiz along @ 1350fps. Those penetrate.

[yuppiejr]

(Non LE opinion...) My internet commando reading turned me on to the 147 grain Federal HST's about 2 years ago which shoot well for me in a CZ P01 9mm pistol (3.8" barrel) particularly compared to snappier/flashier +P 124 grain loads I had tried previously (Speer, Remington, Federal). Online research indicates the Federal HST bullet design performed well in various tests (consistent and predictable penetration, reliable expansion through a variety of materials, etc..), are relatively affordable ($25-30 for a box of 50) and shoot consistently - presumably all positive virtues for a standard Law Enforcement handgun cartridge. The added capacity per magazine, greater availability and lighter recoil mentioned previously are also valid points I assume weigh in to the decision to take another look at switching to a 9mm standard carry round.

http://www.btfh.net/shoot/bullet-test-2.html

http://shootingmessengers.blogspot.com/ ... kshop.html

http://www.forestryonthegrow.com/9mm-fe ... 147-grain/

[Dave Pendleton]

The capacity difference between a .40 GLOCK and a 9mm GLOCK is only two rounds...

[Snowgun]

The capacity difference between a .40 GLOCK and a 9mm GLOCK is only two rounds...

that's a 13% increase. People worry about statistics far less than that when it means their lives...

[monschman]

Neener sounds better than fohtay, and its easier to pronounce. Not too much to it really.

[gman1868]

Corbon DPX.

According to the ballistics tests I've read, there's nothing like it. It aint cheap either or I'd own more of it.

[mnglocker]

Light speed ball ammo is the ticket. Two holes leak faster than one.

[gyrfalcon]

The capacity difference between a .40 GLOCK and a 9mm GLOCK is only two rounds...

that's a 13% increase. People worry about statistics far less than that when it means their lives...

Or a 53% increase over a 1911 .45

[Snowgun]

Light speed ball ammo is the ticket. Two holes leak faster than one.

Four holes where two were intended causes legal problems...

[Snowgun]

The capacity difference between a .40 GLOCK and a 9mm GLOCK is only two rounds...

that's a 13% increase. People worry about statistics far less than that when it means their lives...

Or a 53% increase over a 1911 .45

That because .45 is twice as effective!

[Pinnacle]

Light speed ball ammo is the ticket. Two holes leak faster than one.

Four holes where two were intended causes legal problems...

I can see what you are saying but this line of logic removes some undeniable facts about pistols and their limitations and makes what we think is legal sense but when we really really look at this issue it is readily apparent that it makes little sense in practical application.

Any and all self defense loads are capable of completely penetrating a human in 9 40 or 45. Bullets that cannot reliably penetrate 14"-16" of simulated tissue are making a marginal self defense tool even more marginal. We need to consider target and beyond for sure but remember ALL STANDARD SD LOADS ARE CAPABLE OF COMPLETE PENETRATION OF A HUMAN TARGET.

9mm tends to penetrate and work a whole lot better for many reasons. It just plain works and has been working for many years more than just about anything else. Most people cannot shoot the 40 worth snot, and many more don't shoot the 45 much better and just about everyone shoots the 9mm well.

Hits count, misses don't. 9mm is fully capable if you are. I personally can place 3 rounds from any of my 9mm's on target dater and more accurately than about 90% of shooters can place one round on target. If you think that you can overcome a volume of well aimed fire with caliber, think again.

Misses don't count

[farmerj]

Law enforcement style shooting is different. They have specialized teams for various situations. Without going into all the details, I will mention this. They need higher capacity not because many are undertrained, but they usually provide cover fire which allows teams to advance or retreat. This is one of the big reasons why capacity is important to law enforcement.

Fire and maneuver huh....

Infantry tactics in a civilian law enforcement situation....

[justaguy]

Scott county went to 9mm because they liked the penetration they saw in the testing.

What load?

Federal Hydra shok

My friend, who's a cop, told me those rounds make a 9mm into a .45.