Heffay wrote:Just shoot them in the eyeball.
Pinnacle wrote:I would not at all mind Carrying a 380 in the appropriate platform - nothing beats a lot of holes fast that are well placed and agian using the appropriate ammunition (BALL)
The Particular country that I have occasion to visit is Israel, where the threats well exceed what we normally see here on a regular basis; facing down long guns, or well larger is the norm, not the exception.
Keep in mind any weapon in the hands of a criminal with the intent to do GBH or commit Murder is exceedingly dangerous, if the decision to use deadly force is made, the opponents weapon makes little difference, and the outcome needs to be the same regardless.
Stop the threat.
solidgun wrote:Law enforcement style shooting is different. They have specialized teams for various situations. Without going into all the details, I will mention this. They need higher capacity not because many are undertrained, but they usually provide cover fire which allows teams to advance or retreat. This is one of the big reasons why capacity is important to law enforcement.
Robert Peel wrote:
- The basic mission for which the police exist is to prevent crime and disorder.
- The ability of the police to perform their duties is dependent upon the public approval of police actions.
- Police must secure the willing co-operation of the public in voluntary observation of the law to be able to secure and maintain the respect of the public.
- The degree of co-operation of the public that can be secured diminishes proportionately to the necessity of the use of physical force.
- Police seek and preserve public favour not by catering to public opinion, but by constantly demonstrating absolute impartial service to the law.
- Police use physical force to the extent necessary to secure observance of the law or to restore order only when the exercise of persuasion, advice, and warning is found to be insufficient.
- Police, at all times, should maintain a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent upon every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.
- Police should always direct their action strictly towards their functions, and never appear to usurp the powers of the judiciary.
- The test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with it.
tman wrote:farmerj wrote:
Fire and maneuver huh....
Infantry tactics in a civilian law enforcement situation....
In a word, **** yeah!
I would rather be able to fire and maneuver than stand there exposed and wait to be shot.
user842 wrote:Stop hating and have a drink of reality. It's not the norm, but its happened numerous times in civilian law enforcement.
user842 wrote:Are we supposed to just standby and call in the national guard?
user842 wrote:Help me keep up rancher... Where did this thread turn into a discussion into no knock warrants? I have only been skimming the thread.
So what happens when we have a north Hollywood style shootout? It has happened here before on a smaller scale.
Are we supposed to just standby and call in the national guard? That seems like a reasonable plan.
Look at the big picture and not your personal problems and biases towards law enforcement. Just because they have a rifle available in the squad doesn't mean they are going to start kicking in doors and ******* with you.
I know a lot of guys who were cops back in the 60's with six shot revolvers, and surprisingly they ruled with more of an iron fist than any cop these days.
jdege wrote:user842 wrote:Are we supposed to just standby and call in the national guard?
No, you're supposed to deputize the (armed) civilians in the area.
user842 wrote:Why can't you answer a question directly? Or don't you have an opinion other than hating cops?
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