Reliabilty

[Dave Pendleton]

:exactly:

What time?

[Dave Pendleton]

Anyone want to put their 1911 up against my G37 at OGC some weekend?

I'll run the damned thing over with my truck, are you willing?

I would, and the hell with running them over with a truck...
we will flip a coin and the winner shoots first..
I shoot your Glock with my 1911/.45 ACP......
you shoot my 1911 with your Glock/minne-me .45.....
well see which one runs............

I'm not sure what this test might have to do with reliability, since guns typically aren't evaluated on their ability to withstand rounds from other handguns.

I'm still in. Bring your 1911 whatever. I guess it'll come down to who's a better shot...

[EJSG19]

The important thing here is that somebody has pissed at least 30 feet into a headwind during this thread.

The second important thing is that "if you were dropped into a war zone with just a pistol" you are fighting for one god damn stupid country, and you should consider switching sides.

In my country we drop bombs into war zones, not tactical tommy's with a pistol and a prayer.

[Dave Pendleton]

The important thing here is that somebody has pissed at least 30 feet into a headwind during this thread.

The second important thing is that "if you were dropped into a war zone with just a pistol" you are fighting for one god damn stupid country, and you should consider switching sides.

In my country we drop bombs into war zones, not tactical tommy's with a pistol and a prayer.

You are correct, sir.

[EJSG19]

A reasonable answer to the OP is this:

A rough guess would be that 80-90% of all pistols currently produced can be made to function upwards of 98 or 99% of the time, which after factoring in human error/stupidity/ignorance etc, is about as good as anyone can expect from a simple machine like a pistol. Some yahoo's will claim 100% out of their gun, but it just isn't true. All machines wear down, even perfect ones, and it'll fail some time. Not if, but when.

Give me a pistol that I've had the chance to use for 500 rounds or so. If its run clean and had no failures that weren't a fault of my own, then I'll take that pistol over any $5,000 gun you can offer me which I don't get to test.

If Rambo gets after it, you can also probably bet he won't be taking a Lorcin, Hi-point, Jennings, or Taurus with him either!

The sad part of this all means that there is no Best Pistol, and never will be, which means I don't get to buy the best pistol there is, and that makes me weep quietly at night as I fall asleep.

Also, all of this allows room for the phenomenon of the firearm "fanboy" debates, which never end, because there is no answer to the debate. But, don't despair, this is an eternal source of humorous reading for the rest of us.

[gyrfalcon]

You've obviously never owned a 1911. I can detail strip a GI model 1911 to it's individual parts in a matter of minutes with no tools. And to say that plastic can handle more abuse than steel is silly...

Really? I'd love to see a video of you disassembling the main spring housing or removing the staked parts from the frame using your fingers. If you compare all of the firearms mentioned so far which one has the lowest number of parts?



To me it's silly to suggest the 100 year old design of a 1911 can take the sort of abuse a Glock can.

[1911fan]

If your comparing staked parts etc, don't you need tools to move the sights on a glock? On at least a few of my 1911's, the plunger tube is not staked on.

as to the mainspring and its retaining pin, its the one part that needs another tool to remove.


That said, there were some 3 million 1911's made and put into service during WW2, the marines are still using some of those guns. I have and shoot regularly a 1942 Colt. Next year that gun will be 70 years old, its been shot alot, when you can bring me a 70 year old Glock with many thousand rounds thru it. we'll talk.

[hammAR]

I'm not sure what this test might have to do with reliability, since guns typically aren't evaluated on their ability to withstand rounds from other handguns.

I'm still in. Bring your 1911 whatever. I guess it'll come down to who's a better shot...

About as much as running it over with a truck....and yea it is a silly discussion......

[Pezhead]

This might go on for a while. I wish I owned a 1911 so I could give an honest answer.

[shooter]

I love the weekly "which is better?" argument.....the endless search for an objective answer to a subjective question.

Which do you shoot well with? Glocks and 1911's are both excellent pistols.

Which is better, chocolate or vanilla?

BTW, plastic and polymer have as much to do with each other as do a hot dog, and a warm puppy.

[hammAR]

Hot dogs ARE warm puppy................just add a Weber and bbq sauce......

[Pezhead]

Which is better, chocolate or vanilla?

I like twist cones. The best of both worlds.

[rugersol]

I'll go with whatever the vast majority of IPSC/USPSA Master Open/Ltd shooters trust!

If you think an "unreliable" gun can make Master or win matches, yer FOS!

I'm nowhere near good 'nuff, 'er got hands small 'nuff, to make a Glock look good!

[MrVvrroomm]

I'll go with whatever the vast majority of IPSC/USPSA Master Open/Ltd shooters trust!

If you think an "unreliable" gun can make Master or win matches, yer FOS!

I'm nowhere near good 'nuff, 'er got hands small 'nuff, to make a Glock look good!

Far from the majority, but the current #1 shooter in the world uses a Glock.

[rugersol]

I'll go with whatever the vast majority of IPSC/USPSA Master Open/Ltd shooters trust!

If you think an "unreliable" gun can make Master or win matches, yer FOS!

I'm nowhere near good 'nuff, 'er got hands small 'nuff, to make a Glock look good!

Far from the majority, but the current #1 shooter in the world uses a Glock.

What took you so long?

So when did Grauffel give up his Tanfoglio?