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Re: Reliabilty

Postby hammAR on Thu Jun 16, 2011 4:25 pm

Evo wrote:If I was going to be dropped off in a desert or secluded environment and had to pick a handgun that was going to be used as a primary instead of a rifle(for the sake of the question) I would take a Hk 45 or a 3rd gen or older Glock 17. Either of these have proven reliable. I would not take a 1911 for two reasons. They do tend to be generally a little finicky sometimes. I understand that people will start bringing up full customs and certain examples that have proven reliable. I understand. Another thing and this is were I think the Hk 45 shines is maintenance. The round intervals till springs or parts have to be replaced would be an advantage. Caliber really does not matter these days anymore and I do relize that
for military use fmj would be employed.

Screw the fancy guns,
when Hk or Glock has been on the battle field as long, wide, and reliably as the GI 1911, then I will consider what you said....... :paper:
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Re: Reliabilty

Postby Evo on Thu Jun 16, 2011 4:51 pm

hammAR wrote:
Evo wrote:If I was going to be dropped off in a desert or secluded environment and had to pick a handgun that was going to be used as a primary instead of a rifle(for the sake of the question) I would take a Hk 45 or a 3rd gen or older Glock 17. Either of these have proven reliable. I would not take a 1911 for two reasons. They do tend to be generally a little finicky sometimes. I understand that people will start bringing up full customs and certain examples that have proven reliable. I understand. Another thing and this is were I think the Hk 45 shines is maintenance. The round intervals till springs or parts have to be replaced would be an advantage. Caliber really does not matter these days anymore and I do relize that
for military use fmj would be employed.

Screw the fancy guns,
when Hk or Glock has been on the battle field as long, wide, and reliably as the GI 1911, then I will consider what you said....... :paper:


This is a common response by many who are not willing to admit that there have been significant improvements in firearms industry in the last century.

Please don't take this the wrong way hammerAR, but until you have the knowledge and experience as some of the top trainers and experts in the firearms industry such as Larry Vickers(who is one of the premier 1911 experts and pistolsmiths), I'll consider what you said.

Also if you consider Hk and glock fancy something is wrong with your perception of them. Hk and glocks are service pistols.

I like 1911 as much as anyone heck I used to have a few, I understand there is some nostalgia and character to them, but I won't let that cloud the cons of running a 1911 platform.
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Re: Reliabilty

Postby rtk on Thu Jun 16, 2011 4:56 pm

Evo wrote: Please don't take this the wrong way hammerAR, but until you have the knowledge and experience as some of the top trainers and experts in the firearms industry such as Larry Vickers(who is one of the premier 1911 experts and pistolsmiths), I'll consider what you said.



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Re: Reliabilty

Postby rtk on Thu Jun 16, 2011 4:59 pm

rtk wrote:
Evo wrote: Please don't take this the wrong way hammerAR, but until you have the knowledge and experience as some of the top trainers and experts in the firearms industry such as Larry Vickers(who is one of the premier 1911 experts and pistolsmiths), I'll consider what you said.



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Re: Reliabilty

Postby rtk on Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:00 pm

Sorry....I was giggling so hard I double tapped.
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Re: Reliabilty

Postby hammAR on Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:36 pm

Evo wrote:
This is a common response by many who are not willing to admit that there have been significant improvements in firearms industry in the last century. Where did I say that there have not been significant improvements, you have a deficiency there besides being FOS....

Please don't take this the wrong way hammerAR, but until you have the knowledge and experience as some of the top trainers and experts in the firearms industry such as Larry Vickers(who is one of the premier 1911 experts and pistolsmiths), I'll consider what you said. You are not Larry Vickers, he has earned the right to be respected, and until you are him then you are just an admiring parrot!

Also if you consider Hk and glock fancy something is wrong with your perception of them. Hk and glocks are service pistols.
Again, not paying attention while playing intraweb commando, I was referring to your statement about 1911's - "people will start bringing up full customs and certain examples".......I more than clearly stated "when Hk or Glock has been on the battle field as long, wide, and reliably as the GI 1911, then I will consider what you said......." and I stand by that!.......

I like 1911 as much as anyone heck I used to have a few, I understand there is some nostalgia and character to them, but I won't let that cloud the cons of running a 1911 platform. You shoot what ever the hell you want to, I do and I am here because of it! You are doing well for a 4-poster....
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Re: Reliabilty

Postby gyrfalcon on Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:07 pm

hammAR wrote:
Evo wrote: ...I like 1911 as much as anyone heck I used to have a few, I understand there is some nostalgia and character to them, but I won't let that cloud the cons of running a 1911 platform. You shoot what ever the hell you want to, I do and I am here because of it! You are doing well for a 4-poster....


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Re: Reliabilty

Postby farmerj on Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:09 pm

ya still can't beat the 9mm though.
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Re: Reliabilty

Postby hammAR on Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:24 pm

farmerj wrote:ya still can't beat the 9mm though.

Lets see ya do this and not get laughed at with a puny 9....... :lol:

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Re: Reliabilty

Postby rukwikenuf on Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:41 pm

ok, i'm a little offended that so few people are willing to think out of the "1911 v Glock" box. have none of you shot a Sig? i'd take a P226 in 9mm over a Glock any day. then again, i don't like the safety (or complete lack thereof) on a Glock. it has nothing to do with the polymer frame, i own an FNP-40 too. it's simply that the Sig P226 is as competent as any other service pistol. hell, it was almost the US sidearm to replace the 1911! if the Beretta had been a little more expensive, i'd have carried a P226 in Iraq instead of a 92F.
the Beretta 92F (M9) is still a good gun, and i'd rather carry that than nothing, but that's the only Beretta i can say this about.

to recap: P226 in 9mm (mind you, this gun has a capacity of 15+1), with my USMC Ka-Bar on my chest. probably a good 150 lumens LED light, and some good Red Wing boots! maybe some pants too, but i can't ask for too much, can i?
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Re: Reliabilty

Postby grousemaster on Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:25 pm

farmerj wrote:ya still can't beat the 9mm though.



in what way can we not beat the 9mm? In magazine capacity??? Get bigger mags. The 9mm can be beat by the .40, .45, .357 sig, 10mm...etc, etc......

I suppose you can't beat the 30-30 for big game hunting either? lol
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Re: Reliabilty

Postby grousemaster on Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:25 pm

farmerj wrote:ya still can't beat the 9mm though.



in what way can we not beat the 9mm? In magazine capacity??? Get bigger mags. The 9mm can be beat by the .40, .45, .357 sig, 10mm...etc, etc......

I suppose you can't beat the 30-30 for big game hunting either? lol
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Re: Reliabilty

Postby grousemaster on Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:27 pm

rukwikenuf wrote:ok, i'm a little offended that so few people are willing to think out of the "1911 v Glock" box. have none of you shot a Sig? i'd take a P226 in 9mm over a Glock any day. then again, i don't like the safety (or complete lack thereof) on a Glock. it has nothing to do with the polymer frame, i own an FNP-40 too. it's simply that the Sig P226 is as competent as any other service pistol. hell, it was almost the US sidearm to replace the 1911! if the Beretta had been a little more expensive, i'd have carried a P226 in Iraq instead of a 92F.
the Beretta 92F (M9) is still a good gun, and i'd rather carry that than nothing, but that's the only Beretta i can say this about.

to recap: P226 in 9mm (mind you, this gun has a capacity of 15+1), with my USMC Ka-Bar on my chest. probably a good 150 lumens LED light, and some good Red Wing boots! maybe some pants too, but i can't ask for too much, can i?



"i don't like the safety (or complete lack thereof) on a Glock. it has nothing to do with the polymer frame"

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Re: Reliabilty

Postby Evo on Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:37 pm

hammAR wrote:
Evo wrote:
This is a common response by many who are not willing to admit that there have been significant improvements in firearms industry in the last century. Where did I say that there have not been significant improvements, you have a deficiency there besides being FOS....

Please don't take this the wrong way hammerAR, but until you have the knowledge and experience as some of the top trainers and experts in the firearms industry such as Larry Vickers(who is one of the premier 1911 experts and pistolsmiths), I'll consider what you said. You are not Larry Vickers, he has earned the right to be respected, and until you are him then you are just an admiring parrot!

Also if you consider Hk and glock fancy something is wrong with your perception of them. Hk and glocks are service pistols.
Again, not paying attention while playing intraweb commando, I was referring to your statement about 1911's - "people will start bringing up full customs and certain examples".......I more than clearly stated "when Hk or Glock has been on the battle field as long, wide, and reliably as the GI 1911, then I will consider what you said......." and I stand by that!.......

I like 1911 as much as anyone heck I used to have a few, I understand there is some nostalgia and character to them, but I won't let that cloud the cons of running a 1911 platform. You shoot what ever the hell you want to, I do and I am here because of it! You are doing well for a 4-poster....



First it is clear that I struck a nerve with you. Second, I never claimed,said or even referenced anything whatsoever that I even remotely had any experience anywhere near Mr. Vickers. That is just asinine.

This thread topic was about reliability. Do you disagree with Larry Vickers? Do you disagree with other professionals?

I see you got a little fired up and resorted to calling me internet commando and a parrot. Hmm seems kinda silly since all I stated was a fact and other experts have said similar things and had similar experiences. If following advice and agreeing with professionals in this area is considered a parrot then so be it. Ill be one gladly.

I am interested to hear about your disagreements with the experts in the industry and see what enlightenment you can bring besides the same famous" 1911s have been putting our enemies down for the last 100 or so years". I am glad you like 1911's they are a great platform. Like I mentioned earlier I like them as much as anyone but realize there pros and cons.

Also what does my post count have to do with a thread about reliability. One more thing, I think it is funny how your avatar is a parrot.

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Re: Reliabilty

Postby hammAR on Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:51 pm

Evo wrote:Do you disagree with other professionals?
Yep, frequently..........

I see you got a little fired up and resorted to calling me internet commando and a parrot.
I haven't begun to get fired up, this is the effen intraweb....at least I didn't call you a mall ninja.......

One more thing, I think it is funny how your avatar is a parrot.
Yea, I like pet parrots, have one on my boat.........I have a dog too.............

Also what does my post count have to do with a thread about reliability.
Reliability.....that you would not fully read and comprehend, and would shoot out a retort.....like putting crackers in front of a parrot....

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