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Re: It has to be me, right?

Postby XDM45 on Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:36 pm

adoptedson wrote:What size XDM are you shooting? I have the 3.8" .45 and I had a helluva time at first. Same thing, I was shooting low and left. I was dry firing the pistol just fine at home, but when I'd get to the range it'd all go to shiite. The more I've practiced though, I have been able to correct. I was somewhat pulling the trigger.

I have kinda bigger hands. And on the smaller xdm, my trigger finger has to come way back to break the trigger. It doesn't help that the stock xdm trigger breaks further towards the rear of the pistol. Because of this I realized that my strong hand grip fingers were moving and pulling the pistol down and left slightly by the time the trigger was breaking. I've really had to work to shoot straight with this gun. I'm still not perfect with it, but I have improved.

Also, on the flush fitting magazine, I've put a pierce extension grip(bought from thunderjohn:)). That helped me some too. I was more comfortable with a place for my pinky. Not sure which xdm you have though.

I'm also hoping to put the PRP trigger kits in both my Xdm's eventually. I've read nothing but great things about them on xdtalk.


I have the XDm 4.5" and bigger hands as well. So that is something for me to look into, thank you for the tip. If the XDm is a harder-than-normal-learning-curve gun to shoot, I consider that a good thing because it will force me to become a better shooter. I may have to adapt specifically for the weapon, and I'm ok with that. I want to be able to shoot anything and everything accurately. I like the hard road. I like being adaptive. I don't want to be someone who can only shoot well with X, Y, or Z weapon(s).
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Re: It has to be me, right?

Postby Lady T on Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:41 pm

I think one of the best and easiest ways to figure out if you're doing something that you shouldn't be while shooting: the dummy round exercise :) Get a dummy round or two and have someone load your mag and mix the dummy rds in with the live rds. (no peeking!) While shooting, when you come to the dummy rd, you'll react as if the gun will go "bang" instead of "click" and you'll see exactly what, if anything, that you're doing with that gun.
For most of us, it's usually easier to fix what we are doing different if we actually see what we are doing instead of just being told.

Works every time :D

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Re: It has to be me, right?

Postby Eric Marleau on Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:02 pm

Get some snap caps and try some dry firing.
You will be able to tell right away if you are dropping the barrel down when you shoot.

Feel free to drop in at the FLSC on any Thursday night and I should be able to fix you problem also.

I would try the dry firing first though.

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Re: It has to be me, right?

Postby XDM45 on Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:08 pm

Lady T wrote:I think one of the best and easiest ways to figure out if you're doing something that you shouldn't be while shooting: the dummy round exercise :) Get a dummy round or two and have someone load your mag and mix the dummy rds in with the live rds. (no peeking!) While shooting, when you come to the dummy rd, you'll react as if the gun will go "bang" instead of "click" and you'll see exactly what, if anything, that you're doing with that gun.
For most of us, it's usually easier to fix what we are doing different if we actually see what we are doing instead of just being told.

Works every time :D

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Not a bad idea.
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Re: It has to be me, right?

Postby XDM45 on Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:11 pm

Eric Marleau wrote:Get some snap caps and try some dry firing.
You will be able to tell right away if you are dropping the barrel down when you shoot.

Feel free to drop in at the FLSC on any Thursday night and I should be able to fix you problem also.

I would try the dry firing first though.

Eric


What's FLSC?

I do have some snap caps. Perhaps I should have my wife video my technique as well. Lots of good ideas in this thread. Thank you everyone.... keep them coming. I plan on using these, and I've also contacted Don L.
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Re: It has to be me, right?

Postby Eric Marleau on Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:15 pm

Forest Lake Sportsmen's Club in Forest Lake.
I run Pistol Leagues every Thursday from 2:00pm-7:30pm.

Save some money and stop in anytime.

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Re: It has to be me, right?

Postby Lunchbox on Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:44 am

The one thing I'm curious about and this seems to be as good as any place to ask. When I shoot I get a pettern that both low left and low right(the gun doesn't matter I can count the exceptions on one hand). Anyways before actually seeking help on site what can a guy do to correct both flinching and muscling the gun? I'd like some ideas to try on my own see if I can fix my issues with advice before I seek further help.
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Re: It has to be me, right?

Postby snlit3 on Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:48 am

Lunchbox wrote:The one thing I'm curious about and this seems to be as good as any place to ask. When I shoot I get a pettern that both low left and low right(the gun doesn't matter I can count the exceptions on one hand). Anyways before actually seeking help on site what can a guy do to correct both flinching and muscling the gun? I'd like some ideas to try on my own see if I can fix my issues with advice before I seek further help.


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Re: It has to be me, right?

Postby bulletproof on Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:03 am

Have you tried firing the pistol from a sitting position while it's resting on a bench?

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Re: It has to be me, right?

Postby Don L on Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:52 am

Thanks for the kind words, everyone!
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Re: It has to be me, right?

Postby Lady T on Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:04 am

Another thing to consider: when you squeeze the trigger, is your trigger finger working completely independant from your hand? If you're squeezing your hand (even a little!) while sqeezing your trigger.

Maybe another case of-dummy rd exercise time :D

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Re: It has to be me, right?

Postby yuppiejr on Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:19 am

22 -> .45 Auto is a big jump in perceived and actual recoil, no shame in finding out you are nosing the pistol down anticipating the shot (which looks like one explanation for low groups in the chart above...). Some time with the dummy round drill or with an instructor to help work on fundamentals and improve your technique would probably be time and money well spent. There's a similar exercise in rifle shooting, the "Ball and Dummy" drill I learned at Appleseed that translated directly into my pistol practice and helped me improve accuracy with my .357 Magnum revolver using full power loads after I observed similar problems. The nice thing about a wheel gun is you can load your own once fired "dummy" case and then spin the cylinder so you don't know where they are, I suppose you could do the same thing with a couple of snap caps + live ammo and 2 magazines for your semi-auto that you purposefully mix up to avoid easy identification and then "blind" load with a semi-auto.

I'm a huge proponent of training and personal instruction now that I've actually started doing it after many years shooting without... While it's money you are not spending on ammo and guns/parts (which is why I stupidly neglected it) the overall impact on everything you do with a firearm once you are shown how to do it "right" is remarkable.
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Re: It has to be me, right?

Postby bulletproof on Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:38 am

XDM45 wrote:It has to be me, right?


Answer: No

(and I have a few firearms to prove it)
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Re: It has to be me, right?

Postby XDM45 on Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:03 pm

3000+ rounds later...yeah, it was me. I'm better now.
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