Gen 4 Glocks

[Hmac]

I would check to see if you have the new ejector and go from there.

I tried the 30274 ejector and heavier mag springs, didn't help. I also tried a 17 lb recoil spring which gave me a bunch of stovepipes AND brass-to-face. So far, with the stock recoil spring back in (about 2500 rounds) at least I'm not getting malfunctions.

[Ron Burgundy]

I have a couple of Gen4s of mixed manufacture vintage --- no problems. All other Gen4s I've shot, or seen shot, also had no problems.

[grousemaster]

...I have no need of dealing with my unreliable Glock 19

I have a standing offer of $300 for any unreliable Glock. That's more than you'll be offered on a trade at a gun shop.

edited to add:

Me to ...$301

[grousemaster]

Only issues I've seen was with an early Gen 4 G19 I had that needed the RSA update, after the update no problems. I think the .40's really benefited from the new generation, they are a joy to shoot. The 9mm's never needed a new generation...but the slimmer grip is nice to some, including me.

[Erud]

I would check to see if you have the new ejector and go from there.

I tried the 30274 ejector and heavier mag springs, didn't help. I also tried a 17 lb recoil spring which gave me a bunch of stovepipes AND brass-to-face. So far, with the stock recoil spring back in (about 2500 rounds) at least I'm not getting malfunctions.

Just out of curiosity, did you try calling Glock to have them fix it?

[Hmac]

Just out of curiosity, did you try calling Glock to have them fix it?

No. That's been a generally unrewarding experience for the Gen 3's with the BTF problem according to the many,many posts on M4C about the problem. I could do that, and still might, but since I found a similar pistol that I shoot better and doesn't hit me in the face, I'm not very invested in going to that trouble and it will easier for me just to dump it if Apex's new extractor doesn't fix it.

[Erud]

Just out of curiosity, did you try calling Glock to have them fix it?

No. That's been a generally unrewarding experience for the Gen 3's with the BTF problem according to the many,many posts on M4C about the problem. I could do that, and still might, but since I found a similar pistol that I shoot better and doesn't hit me in the face, I'm not very invested in going to that trouble and it will easier for me just to dump it if Apex's new extractor doesn't fix it.

It's your gun, so I guess you can do what you want with it. Personally, if I buy a product and it doesn't work right, I'm going to at least make an effort to get the manufacturer to fix it on their dime before I start spending my own money on it or sell it at a loss, regardless of what the guys at M4C have to say about it.

[Hmac]

Just out of curiosity, did you try calling Glock to have them fix it?

No. That's been a generally unrewarding experience for the Gen 3's with the BTF problem according to the many,many posts on M4C about the problem. I could do that, and still might, but since I found a similar pistol that I shoot better and doesn't hit me in the face, I'm not very invested in going to that trouble and it will easier for me just to dump it if Apex's new extractor doesn't fix it.

It's your gun, so I guess you can do what you want with it. Personally, if I buy a product and it doesn't work right, I'm going to at least make an effort to get the manufacturer to fix it on their dime before I start spending my own money on it or sell it at a loss, regardless of what the guys at M4C have to say about it.

I guess it's fair to say that I find it easier to just dump the Glock than send it back but I don't mind dicking around with installing different extractors/springs/ejectors...shooting is a hobby after all. I'm not emotionally invested in the Glock platform, nor do I have any significant investment in accessories. I have no remorse in abandoning it in favor of a pistol that works better for me...no reason to hang on to a chronically problematic pistol when there are alternatives that I find more suitable.

[Dante]

Just out of curiosity, did you try calling Glock to have them fix it?

No. That's been a generally unrewarding experience for the Gen 3's with the BTF problem according to the many,many posts on M4C about the problem. I could do that, and still might, but since I found a similar pistol that I shoot better and doesn't hit me in the face, I'm not very invested in going to that trouble and it will easier for me just to dump it if Apex's new extractor doesn't fix it.

M4C?

[oldbenwa]

Just out of curiosity, did you try calling Glock to have them fix it?

No. That's been a generally unrewarding experience for the Gen 3's with the BTF problem according to the many,many posts on M4C about the problem. I could do that, and still might, but since I found a similar pistol that I shoot better and doesn't hit me in the face, I'm not very invested in going to that trouble and it will easier for me just to dump it if Apex's new extractor doesn't fix it.

M4C?

http://www.m4carbine.net

[Hmac]

M4C?

http://www.m4carbine.net

If you have the time and inclination, you could cruise around these search results, more specifically.

http://www.m4carbine.net/gtsearch.php?c ... 5472335j28

[ZardozCZ]

My Gen4 G27 ejects every which way, but then I run whatever ammo is cheap. I just grin when I get one in the face or down the collar, as its further training on focusing on the shooting. If the target were a BG, I certainly couldn't be distracted by emptys flying around. The random hot brass just serves to keep my focus on hitting the target.

[Hmac]

My Gen4 G27 ejects every which way, but then I run whatever ammo is cheap. I just grin when I get one in the face or down the collar, as its further training on focusing on the shooting. If the target were a BG, I certainly couldn't be distracted by emptys flying around. The random hot brass just serves to keep my focus on hitting the target.

If it were just BTF, that would be one thing. Several people, however, are getting malfunctions, most notably horizontal stovepipes as part of the entertainment package that Glock has saddled us with in recent years.

The short history of the Apex extractor and stiffer plunger spring yields mixed results. Shortly after the original run, Randy Lee was finding less consistent benefits with the Gen 3 Glocks so he worked up an extractor specific to that model (as opposed to the Gen 4 versions). For me, changing the ejector to the current Gen 4 version 30274, adding the Gen 3 extractor with stock LCI SLB and a stiffer plunger spring has solved the problem, at least for the 250 rounds I've put through it so far. Nice, consistent 4:00 ejection pattern even with 115 grain 9mm ammo. Other's however, have not had the same degree of success and that has spawned the thread on M4C entitled "who has given up on Glock?". http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=118250

Glock apparently has a problem with their quality control or design in consistently manufacturing 9mm handguns that are reliable. I'm going to keep mine since my $70 investment in aftermarket parts seems to have (preliminarily) resolved the issue. But that pistol is going in the back of the safe in favor of what appears to be, and certainly is in my experience, a more reliable firearm.

[pennygunner]

I don't think you have to worry. i dont know anyone who has had problems.

[Hmac]

I've put about 1200 rounds through that Gen 3 Glock 19 since putting in the Apex extractor and it still ejects perfectly. Others with Gen 3's haven't been so lucky and with that generation of 9mm Glocks the fix for the notorious brass-to-face and faulty ejection issue hasn't been universal. The Apex extractor for the Gen 4's appears to be having much better luck in fixing the problem....Apex extractor for the Gen 3, not as much. Randy Lee is working on it.

Between the M&P series, Walthers, and HKs, there are plenty of good alternatives for those who want a striker-fired polymer frame pistol and don't want to take a chance on a gun company that's having some kind of manufacturing hiccup.