Holy Bullet Setback, Batman!

[Rem700]

As Sam pointed out it might be mag issues all my ZERO setback 45acp has been in 1911 single stacks.
Maybe its the 100yr old design useing 100yr old ammo design

[Seismic Sam]

I suppose the other thing you could do, which is only a QUALATATIVE test which doesn't have any numbers associated with it, is to deliberately pull one of the bullets in an inertia type puller, and see how many whacks it takes to get the bullet out. Dunno about any particular brand of self defense ammo today, but I suspect if you ran across any RA42 ammo still left intact, it's gonna take one hell of an EFFEN whacking to get that bullet out of there!!

I mean, that ammo is 70 years old, and I'm only 64, and it's an EFFEN chore for me to drag my ass out from under the bridge when a noob shows up!! Plus with some of that stuff, I think there is a sealant to keep water out of the round, so it's actually glued in there.

[XDM45]

Alright, chambered it is.

After the usual P.A.M. on here about it, plus some extensive research elsewhere, my solution to setback is this:

Chamber the JHP and leave it as is until I am going to either clean the gun or practice with it.

If practice, I drop the mag full of JHP, leaving the 1 round chambered, insert a mag full of ball ammo for practice, fire off the JHP and whatever ball ammo, then when I'm done practicing, I clean the gun and add a new JHP to the mag of JHP, chambering a new round to leave as it is.

If I'm just cleaning, I drop the mag, eject the chambered JHP and set it aside for use at the next practice session. I doubt setback will occur with 2 chambering of the same round. Possible? Yes. Unlikely though. I'll spec it before firing it just because I'm paranoid/anal like that.

Since I normally practice 1-2x a month, less in Winter, a box of 20 JHP x 2 (40 rounds total) will last some time using this routine.

Anyone have any issues, foreseeable problems with this routine? Real answers always appreciated, snarky answers, not so much.

[goett047]

You sure you don't want to ultrasound the gun before firing? Just to make sure setback didn't occur in on the first chambering.

[Mn01r6]

You sure you don't want to ultrasound the gun before firing? Just to make sure setback didn't occur in on the first chambering.

You might need to use gamma rays. I don't think ultrasound will do the trick.


...or you could be sensible and buy yourself a caliper and actually MEASURE to see if you get any setback, but that would be way too practical for our resident expert.

[Erud]

Alright, chambered it is.

After the usual P.A.M. on here about it, plus some extensive research elsewhere, my solution to setback is this:

Chamber the JHP and leave it as is until I am going to either clean the gun or practice with it.

If practice, I drop the mag full of JHP, leaving the 1 round chambered, insert a mag full of ball ammo for practice, fire off the JHP and whatever ball ammo, then when I'm done practicing, I clean the gun and add a new JHP to the mag of JHP, chambering a new round to leave as it is.

If I'm just cleaning, I drop the mag, eject the chambered JHP and set it aside for use at the next practice session. I doubt setback will occur with 2 chambering of the same round. Possible? Yes. Unlikely though. I'll spec it before firing it just because I'm paranoid/anal like that.

Since I normally practice 1-2x a month, less in Winter, a box of 20 JHP x 2 (40 rounds total) will last some time using this routine.

Anyone have any issues, foreseeable problems with this routine? Real answers always appreciated, snarky answers, not so much.

I don't foresee any problems with your new plan, but I have to admit that I'm kind of disappointed by this and I hope that you will reconsider. This forum is just a much funnier place with you open carrying an unloaded gun.

[goett047]

Alright, chambered it is.

After the usual P.A.M. on here about it, plus some extensive research elsewhere, my solution to setback is this:

Chamber the JHP and leave it as is until I am going to either clean the gun or practice with it.

If practice, I drop the mag full of JHP, leaving the 1 round chambered, insert a mag full of ball ammo for practice, fire off the JHP and whatever ball ammo, then when I'm done practicing, I clean the gun and add a new JHP to the mag of JHP, chambering a new round to leave as it is.

If I'm just cleaning, I drop the mag, eject the chambered JHP and set it aside for use at the next practice session. I doubt setback will occur with 2 chambering of the same round. Possible? Yes. Unlikely though. I'll spec it before firing it just because I'm paranoid/anal like that.

Since I normally practice 1-2x a month, less in Winter, a box of 20 JHP x 2 (40 rounds total) will last some time using this routine.

Anyone have any issues, foreseeable problems with this routine? Real answers always appreciated, snarky answers, not so much.

I don't foresee any problems with your new plan, but I have to admit that I'm kind of disappointed by this and I hope that you will reconsider. This forum is just a much funnier place with you open carrying an unloaded gun.

Agreed

[Rem700]

Glad to see you come to your senses
Dont see anything wrong with your new regime other then if you dryfire practice remember it is now really loaded instead of loaded.

[XDM45]

Glad to see you come to your senses
Dont see anything wrong with your new regime other then if you dryfire practice remember it is now really loaded instead of loaded.

Rem700, Thank you for the one decent and real answer.

The rest of you who posted after my previous post, yeah, you guys get the Official A-Hat Award. Seems Rem700 is the only one who can read and understand "Real answers always appreciated, snarky answers, not so much." No wonder this place is called The Daycare. How do you guys look yourselves in the mirror since your perfection must be so bright it blinds you.... oh wait... my bad... it's not perfection that blinds you, it's hubris and ego fueled by narcissism.

[xd ED]

Glad to see you come to your senses
Dont see anything wrong with your new regime other then if you dryfire practice remember it is now really loaded instead of loaded.

Can't over emphasize the safety admonition:

Unload, and clear in a different room from where you dry fire. If you have company- NO LOADED GUNS in the practice room during safe time.Verbally command yourself (out loud) to unload and clear. Triple check
Aim at a safe, discrete area( not at/ near a window)
When you're done training. Verbally command to load, and tell yourself your gun is now loaded.
Might sound dumb, but so too would the ceiling plaster falling(and worse) if you eff up...

[XDM45]

Glad to see you come to your senses
Dont see anything wrong with your new regime other then if you dryfire practice remember it is now really loaded instead of loaded.

Can't over emphasize the safety admonition:

Unload, and clear in a different room from where you dry fire. If you have company- NO LOADED GUNS in the practice room during safe time.Verbally command yourself (out loud) to unload and clear. Triple check
Aim at a safe, discrete area( not at/ near a window)
When you're done training. Verbally command to load, and tell yourself your gun is now loaded.
Might sound dumb, but so too would the ceiling plaster falling(and worse) if you eff up...

I do all that...and I ALWAYS appreciate hearing it again. Over-emphasize safety. One thing I learned is to never be complacent. Always think "I am doing X." Never let your actions become automatic in that regard. Of course this counters the whole muscle memory thing, which is what's needed during self-defense, competition, etc; but then so is reason and good judgment as well. It's a fine balance between thinking and memory. Not sure if I'm explaining that right or not, hopefully you get what I mean.

I do need to get a good backstop as well. I tend to be overly-cautious and paranoid. There isn't any room for error with firearms. If I could dry fire in a bunker or on 100 acres of private land, I would.

Funny thing is, if SHTF, a lot of what we end up doing breaks a lot of safety training. Primary is, aiming the gun in unsafe direction - at another person.

[TH3180]

Glad to see you come to your senses
Dont see anything wrong with your new regime other then if you dryfire practice remember it is now really loaded instead of loaded.

Rem700, Thank you for the one decent and real answer.

The rest of you who posted after my previous post, yeah, you guys get the Official A-Hat Award. Seems Rem700 is the only one who can read and understand "Real answers always appreciated, snarky answers, not so much." No wonder this place is called The Daycare. How do you guys look yourselves in the mirror since your perfection must be so bright it blinds you.... oh wait... my bad... it's not perfection that blinds you, it's hubris and ego fueled by narcissism.

I was actually going to complement you for seeing the other side of it. But then you posed again and showed your true colors. Well done.

[XDM45]

Glad to see you come to your senses
Dont see anything wrong with your new regime other then if you dryfire practice remember it is now really loaded instead of loaded.

Rem700, Thank you for the one decent and real answer.

The rest of you who posted after my previous post, yeah, you guys get the Official A-Hat Award. Seems Rem700 is the only one who can read and understand "Real answers always appreciated, snarky answers, not so much." No wonder this place is called The Daycare. How do you guys look yourselves in the mirror since your perfection must be so bright it blinds you.... oh wait... my bad... it's not perfection that blinds you, it's hubris and ego fueled by narcissism.

I was actually going to complement you for seeing the other side of it. But then you posed again and showed your true colors. Well done.

I just called a spade a spade. Certainly you can see they totally ignored what I wrote and chose to be a-hats anyway, right? They weren't out to contribute, instead choosing to be keyboard jockeys who decided to be snarky a-hats. If calling them out on it makes me a bad guy, ok, I'm a bad guy. Like Tony Montana, there goes the bad man. I'm not here to be a jerk or win a popularity contest. They've all been put on my ignore list now, and I certainly hope they do the same. For those who don't like me or my words, I encourage them to use the ignore feature since it makes it more peaceful for everyone here.....unless of course, they like the drama, and well, then that's really another issue isn't it? That's why I said "it's not perfection that blinds you, it's hubris and ego fueled by narcissism". Believe it or not, some people actually love the drama, especially when they can hide behind a keyboard. Keyboard or not, it gets old. I think if someone is into drama like that and they are older than 12, they need some medical help.

Now calling a spade a spade is a separate issue and point than the one you were going to compliment me on, which is being open to changing positions. I'm not digging for the compliment with this post, (I don't need anyone's accolades or approval on how I live my life), nor am I trying to be a d-k,.... my point (and opinion) is that you really shouldn't let my calling them out for their behavior, stop you from voicing your opinion on the other issue; but that's just my opinion. We all have them and we all voice them.

..and with that, I'm out. I can only see this thread going downhill and not getting anymore real responses other than the one I received (and thanked) Rem700 for.

[Mn01r6]

You are lampooned on here because your opinions are at best ignorant and at worst dangerous to other visitors new to firearm ownership and/or carry. If what you say is not challenged, some poor ignorant soul might follow you down the road to ruin.

And contrary to what you keep saying about you being entitled to your opinion, I happen to disagree. You are only entitled to what you can defend. Nothing more, nothing less; just like every other person participating here. If you cannot defend your opinion, you no longer deserve to hold it, much less state it on a public forum. Hiding behind "everyone is entitled to their opinion!" Is a cop-out. Defend or relinquish - you will find after doing so that the amount of ignorant, illogical, and dangerous opinions you hold will be reduced substantially. Your wife might like you more too but don't quote me on that - it hasn't worked for me yet.

[ktech]

I carry a Sig P220 because it's infused with Teutonic Dwarf magic, it's rated for +P, it's a single stack, and it's not plastic. I also happen to carry concealed, with one in the chamber.

... what, nobody was asking?

..fine, be that way.