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Re: Use what works

Postby Stradawhovious on Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:20 pm

westberg wrote:Are you sure you read it right? :lol: Did you ask to get invited for some of his training? Try to get some training before the next steel shoot so you can show us it is suppose to be done.


I'm not sure that if I DID! take this shall-remain-anonymous member up on his offer! for training that I would be allowed to share! this priceless one-of-a-kind information with "non-shooters"! Sorry Ron. Super duper double Ninja secret.

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Re: Use what works

Postby westberg on Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:31 pm

Stradawhovious wrote:
westberg wrote:Are you sure you read it right? :lol: Did you ask to get invited for some of his training? Try to get some training before the next steel shoot so you can show us it is suppose to be done.


I'm not sure that if I DID! take this shall-remain-anonymous member up on his offer! for training that I would be allowed to share! this priceless one-of-a-kind information with "non-shooters"! Sorry Ron. Super duper double Ninja secret.

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Re: Use what works

Postby Pinnacle on Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:43 pm

I guess that all of the years of hard work that I have put in and training and shooting a 100% on the NY DOJS Qualification doesn't mean that I am a shooter.

This is a sad day.
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Re: Use what works

Postby westberg on Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:51 pm

Pinnacle wrote:I guess that all of the years of hard work that I have put in and training and shooting a 100% on the NY DOJS Qualification doesn't mean that I am a shooter.

This is a sad day.


I know your a better shooter then me, so if you want you can be a member of the unholstered.com mediocre shooting team. :lol:
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Re: Use what works

Postby JoeH on Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:29 pm

westberg wrote:
Pinnacle wrote:I guess that all of the years of hard work that I have put in and training and shooting a 100% on the NY DOJS Qualification doesn't mean that I am a shooter.

This is a sad day.


I know your a better shooter then me, so if you want you can be a member of the unholstered.com mediocre shooting team. :lol:


I thought we were the half-bad shooting team? :hmm:
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Re: Use what works

Postby westberg on Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:38 pm

JoeH wrote:
westberg wrote:
Pinnacle wrote:I guess that all of the years of hard work that I have put in and training and shooting a 100% on the NY DOJS Qualification doesn't mean that I am a shooter.

This is a sad day.


I know your a better shooter then me, so if you want you can be a member of the unholstered.com mediocre shooting team. :lol:


I thought we were the half-bad shooting team? :hmm:

We could resort to having a vote, but I don't think I'm qualified to put it together. :roll:
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Re: Use what works

Postby Einthoven's Triangle on Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:04 pm

God some of you really need to get out more!

This is from Gabe Saurez no truer words have been spoken! How many of you fit this?

Today the percentage of people wanting to do that is small. The percentage of dudes who want to put on the shaolin nice uniform and do a nice ballet-like kata is much higher. Same goes for the guys who show up to the range in their pressed inspection-ready 5.11 tuxedo with the latest magazine-approved holster, bitchin guy gun, etc., and stands there shooting groups. I could make twice as much money catering to those guys and never use an airsoft again. Just spend my time validating guys and making them feel good about themselves like some kool-aid cult leader.

Guys like that don't want to fight, or train to fight. And if a thug walked up to them on the street....a real thug, not the nemesis of their delusional day dream imaginations, they would not know what to do. Deep down they may know it, but don't dare admit it to themselves.

So as to hte question about the effectiveness of traditional martial arts today...it depends. It depends on you and what your focus is, as well as who you are learning from and what their focus is.

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Re: Use what works

Postby Stradawhovious on Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:06 pm

westberg wrote:We could resort to having a vote, but I don't think I'm qualified to put it together. :roll:



Tell you what... If said individual PMs me again (which I doubt unless he's a masochist :lol: ) I'll ask him if you have the qualifications necessary to run a poll. :rotf:
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Re: Use what works

Postby Stradawhovious on Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:14 pm

Einthoven's Triangle wrote:Guys like that don't want to fight, or train to fight.

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So wait....... You are "training" with the HOPES of using your firearm in a confrontation?!?

I personally NEVER want to use my weapon outside of the range. If you a gearing for the chance to "Plug a bad guy" Maybe you should put down the gun, and get some counseling.

Seriously. If I am understanding this incorrectly, my apologies. If I am not, God help you, because the leagal system won't.
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Re: Use what works

Postby westberg on Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:17 pm

Einthoven's Triangle wrote:God some of you really need to get out more!

This is from Gabe Saurez no truer words have been spoken! How many of you fit this?

Today the percentage of people wanting to do that is small. The percentage of dudes who want to put on the shaolin nice uniform and do a nice ballet-like kata is much higher. Same goes for the guys who show up to the range in their pressed inspection-ready 5.11 tuxedo with the latest magazine-approved holster, bitchin guy gun, etc., and stands there shooting groups. I could make twice as much money catering to those guys and never use an airsoft again. Just spend my time validating guys and making them feel good about themselves like some kool-aid cult leader.

Guys like that don't want to fight, or train to fight. And if a thug walked up to them on the street....a real thug, not the nemesis of their delusional day dream imaginations, they would not know what to do. Deep down they may know it, but don't dare admit it to themselves.

So as to hte question about the effectiveness of traditional martial arts today...it depends. It depends on you and what your focus is, as well as who you are learning from and what their focus is.
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You really may be everything you allude to be and if your that good why don't you spend a little of your range time trying to help other shooters instead of shaking your head and laughing. If there is one thing clear to everybody but you is that members on this forum are willing to learn, but where are you to help in that training?
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Re: Use what works

Postby hammAR on Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:20 pm

I just love mobs................. :angryvillagers:
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Re: Use what works

Postby Duane J on Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:38 pm

westberg wrote:
Einthoven's Triangle wrote:God some of you really need to get out more!

This is from Gabe Saurez no truer words have been spoken! How many of you fit this?

Today the percentage of people wanting to do that is small. The percentage of dudes who want to put on the shaolin nice uniform and do a nice ballet-like kata is much higher. Same goes for the guys who show up to the range in their pressed inspection-ready 5.11 tuxedo with the latest magazine-approved holster, bitchin guy gun, etc., and stands there shooting groups. I could make twice as much money catering to those guys and never use an airsoft again. Just spend my time validating guys and making them feel good about themselves like some kool-aid cult leader.

Guys like that don't want to fight, or train to fight. And if a thug walked up to them on the street....a real thug, not the nemesis of their delusional day dream imaginations, they would not know what to do. Deep down they may know it, but don't dare admit it to themselves.

So as to hte question about the effectiveness of traditional martial arts today...it depends. It depends on you and what your focus is, as well as who you are learning from and what their focus is.
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You really may be everything you allude to be and if your that good why don't you spend a little of your range time trying to help other shooters instead of shaking your head and laughing. If there is one thing clear to everybody but you is that members on this forum are willing to learn, but where are you to help in that training?


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Re: Use what works

Postby Fast351 on Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:41 pm

I'm curious. ET here seems to know everyone on this board (makes reference to none of us being shooters) except me. I feel left out. Could those of you that have seen ET shoot clue me in on what I'm missing?
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Re: Use what works

Postby CraigJS on Mon Sep 29, 2008 6:09 pm

Short and not so sweet.. ET UP YOURS!
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Re: Use what works

Postby Squib Joe on Mon Sep 29, 2008 6:20 pm

Einthoven's Triangle wrote:God some of you really need to get out more!

This is from Gabe Saurez no truer words have been spoken! How many of you fit this?

Today the percentage of people wanting to do that is small. The percentage of dudes who want to put on the shaolin nice uniform and do a nice ballet-like kata is much higher. Same goes for the guys who show up to the range in their pressed inspection-ready 5.11 tuxedo with the latest magazine-approved holster, bitchin guy gun, etc., and stands there shooting groups. I could make twice as much money catering to those guys and never use an airsoft again. Just spend my time validating guys and making them feel good about themselves like some kool-aid cult leader.

Guys like that don't want to fight, or train to fight. And if a thug walked up to them on the street....a real thug, not the nemesis of their delusional day dream imaginations, they would not know what to do. Deep down they may know it, but don't dare admit it to themselves.

So as to hte question about the effectiveness of traditional martial arts today...it depends. It depends on you and what your focus is, as well as who you are learning from and what their focus is.

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You might have a hard time backing up your initial statements with smoke and quotes.

Shooting sports including IDPA, including USPSA, including bullseye rimfire leagues, including pellet guns and tin cans in the backyard .. can do nothing but improve your shooting skills and as a consequence your effectiveness with a firearm in a defensive role. Is it the only training you should pursue? Hell no! And nobody here has suggested anything of the sort.
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