Banned FFL Handguns Transfer/Sat Night Specials

[jshuberg]

That seems a little high. More like 15k per year.

Good job, that seems just about right for live fire training

[scarletvw]

I owned a sig 1911-22. Bought a couple months ago from bills. I really liked the gun, only reliably shoots high velocity rounds but as long as you kept it clean and lubed I was shooting Automatch bulk packs all day long. I upgraded to a mkIII and couldn't be happier. The 1911-22 shoots well and did pretty good groups but the Ruger is a world apart as far as accuracy and overall fit and finish.

[unit44justin]

Ruger SR22 is a great .22 Semi Auto. I had a Sig Mosquito that would only reliably feed CCI Mini Mags, and occasionally the Winchester Super X. I picked up the Ruger SR22 a few weeks back and have 400 flawless rounds through it with various brands from the Federal blue box and red box, mini mags, Win Super X, Blazer.
Fleet Farm has them for $344 and Arnzen has the Talo edition occasionally for I think $329.

[grimbeaver]

I have a Ruger MkIII and it was well worth the money. I may pickup a 22/45 as well eventually. Had a Beretta Neos and would not recommend it. The Buckmark is a similar design to the Beretta but I think Browning might have executed it better.

A friend has a Rock Island 1911 which converts between 22LR and 45ACP and he has nothing but problems shooting 22LR. Based on everything I've heard I have to think it's just impossible to get the full size 1911 platform to work reliably with such a small round. Perhaps that's why Browning made their 1911-22 in 85% size.

[Squib Joe]

technically, ANY polymer frame pistol then is a saturday night special then based on melting points.

Because it does not melt (as in turning to liquid) Polly frames are never Sat night specials.

Melt or flow point? After working in injection molding, I'd say its a strong gray area if someone really wanted to push the topic.


And considering that polymer manufacturers specify a "melt point" significantly less than what is specified in the regulations, it would not fare well for the gun manufacturer.

Subd. 4.Saturday night special pistol.

"Saturday night special pistol" means a pistol other than an antique firearm or a pistol for which the propelling force is carbon dioxide, air or other vapor, or children's pop guns or toys, having a frame, barrel, cylinder, slide or breechblock:

(1) of any material having a melting point (liquidus) of less than 1,000 degrees Fahrenheit

The law specifies a liquidus temperature, which I believe isn't possible with polymers

[Sorcerer]

My XD's, FN, Khar have Piece of metal molded into the frame with the sereal # stamped on it. Even if you tossed the fire arm in a fire that piece my serviave.

[scarletvw]

My XD's, FN, Khar have Piece of metal molded into the frame with the sereal # stamped on it. Even if you tossed the fire arm in a fire that piece my serviave.

What does that have to do with anything? If, for example, those guns all had Zinc casted frames but had a small steel piece embeded with the serial number, it wouldn't make that firearm legal under the saturday night special law.

[grimbeaver]

On the topic of Saturday night specials, thought the Sig was one of them. But Arnzen has one now:
http://arnzenarms.com/product/15724

[hunterfreakhd]

On the topic of Saturday night specials, thought the Sig was one of them. But Arnzen has one now:
http://arnzenarms.com/product/15724

Just about every MN ffl sells them. Gander cabelas scheels etc..

[JeffB]

Plastic does not become a true liquid, no. It's non-Newtonian.

"Polymer" is a HUGELY over-used term. No one says "yeah, I work in polymer injection molding". I've been doing this since 1982, it's just plastic.

Most of these gun parts are 'glass-filled nylon of one kind or another. It adds strength and tons of dimensional stability across a wide heat range over many other possible material choices. Nylon is a crystalline material and doesn't "soften" like most other plastics like ABS, styrene, polypropylene/polyethylene, polycarbonate, etc etc etc. A typical nylon has a "melt" temperature around 550F give or take on the type and grade. There are high heat nylons too. I have no idea what actual material is being used for these parts so I have no way to know an actual heat range. No nylon "plastic" that I know of will withstand a shot of 1000F though. You'd have to be using a thermoset to get higher temp stability. Like an old school ash tray, thermoset all the way.

[scarletvw]

On the topic of Saturday night specials, thought the Sig was one of them. But Arnzen has one now:
http://arnzenarms.com/product/15724

The sig 1911-22 is made by GSG, the gsg 1911-22 and the sig 1911-22 are the same gun. Before I bought mine I emailed ATI about the legality of the gun seeing as the slide and frame are Zamak, they responded back to me

"Good Morning Dan
Unfortunately Minnesota's melting point is to high on the gsg model.
Thanks
Jennifer Hayes
American Tactical Imports"

[LarryFlew]

On the topic of Saturday night specials, thought the Sig was one of them. But Arnzen has one now:
http://arnzenarms.com/product/15724

The sig 1911-22 is made by GSG, the gsg 1911-22 and the sig 1911-22 are the same gun. Before I bought mine I emailed ATI about the legality of the gun seeing as the slide and frame are Zamak, they responded back to me

"Good Morning Dan
Unfortunately Minnesota's melting point is to high on the gsg model.
Thanks
Jennifer Hayes
American Tactical Imports"

Same with the Chiappa 22's. They don't even pass the 800 test other states have.

[win_fcs]

My goal was not to start any controversey. I was just looking for a "list" of firearms (Sat Night Specials) to avoid when I shop on GB, Slickguns etc.
I did email a seller on GB (an FFL according to his add.) asking if the GSG 1911 he was selling was legal in MN.
He replied that it is my responsibility to know the laws of my state and to ask my FFL.

I continue to shop for a 22 within my price point.
OBTW- I was at Gander Mountain today and they do stock an ATI 1911 22 in their showcase here in Roch. GM also has it on their web site with NO Cautions that I can see.
I am just trying to do the right thing.
Nick

[hunterfreakhd]

My goal was not to start any controversey. I was just looking for a "list" of firearms (Sat Night Specials) to avoid when I shop on GB, Slickguns etc.
I did email a seller on GB (an FFL according to his add.) asking if the GSG 1911 he was selling was legal in MN.
He replied that it is my responsibility to know the laws of my state and to ask my FFL.

I continue to shop for a 22 within my price point.
OBTW- I was at Gander Mountain today and they do stock an ATI 1911 22 in their showcase here in Roch. GM also has it on their web site with NO Cautions that I can see.
I am just trying to do the right thing.
Nick

Look at the m and p .22 I've shot a few thousand rounds out of mine with only a handful of malfunctions mostly because of cheap ammo.

[Rooster17]

I wouldn't buy any 1911 .22 LR. They are way to damn heavy to run reliably with .22LR. You will notice a lot of .22s have actions that are sinilar to one another. Smith .22a, ruger MK, browning buck mark. THere is a reason for that. They work great and are cheaper.