9mm 1911

[unknown]

Well... I can't seem to find the Colt XSE. Did I missed something? I had seen quite a few when I posted, but now it seems they are all gone? Is it cause of Colt's new company direction?

[MJY65]

Well... I can't seem to find the Colt XSE. Did I missed something? I had seen quite a few when I posted, but now it seems they are all gone? Is it cause of Colt's new company direction?

Colt recently announced that the XSE line is being discontinued.

[Ghost]

Well... I can't seem to find the Colt XSE. Did I missed something? I had seen quite a few when I posted, but now it seems they are all gone? Is it cause of Colt's new company direction?

Colt recently announced that the XSE line is being discontinued.

That sucks mine have been great.

Good prices on the 1991 http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/411551714/Colt+O1992+1991+Series+9%2B1+9mm+5%22

[unknown]

So if a pistol goes discontinued, is it a bad idea to get one?

[MJY65]

So if a pistol goes discontinued, is it a bad idea to get one?

I don't think so. Just means it might be tough to find.

[gun_fan111v2]

So if a pistol goes discontinued, is it a bad idea to get one?

I think in a lot of cases this statement would be true, as availability of parts will become less and less as time passes. With 1911s, this should not be of much concern as there is a LOT of aftermarket parts available and Colt will service these (as long as they stay in business and keep making 1911s). Think about Lego discontinuing one of their kits, would that be a concern

[gun_fan111v2]

Smith & Wesson is having significant quality control and customer service problems. I would avoid their pistols right now. The only thing I would buy from S&W at this point would be their revolvers.

Not to derail the thread, but do you have any data to support this statement? I own an E-Series and Commander PC pistols that are both accurate and 100% reliable and have not really heard many complaints about their 1911 line... If anything, you do hear people complaining about their revolvers not being what they used to be all the time...

[UnaStamus]

Smith & Wesson is having significant quality control and customer service problems. I would avoid their pistols right now. The only thing I would buy from S&W at this point would be their revolvers.

Not to derail the thread, but do you have any data to support this statement? I own an E-Series and Commander PC pistols that are both accurate and 100% reliable and have not really heard many complaints about their 1911 line... If anything, you do hear people complaining about their revolvers not being what they used to be all the time...

Yes. Numerous agencies in the US are dropping S&W due to poor customer support. This includes several large LE agencies in MN. The current rate of mechanical failure/malfunction for the M&P pistol is about 50%, and I have witnessed this on the range with new recruits in the academy. This applies to all new pistols over the past 2-3 years. Broken barrel, factory night sights falling off under recoil within a couple hundred rounds of installation due to the sights or sight dovetail channels being out of spec, trigger springs and other trigger components breaking, etc. The agencies involved have documentation of this.

When claims are submitted to S&W, they take a long time to fix the problem. 9 weeks to replace a barrel for an LE duty pistol, for example. Then you have the front sight issue where they refuse to send replacement sights to the armorers and instead want the guns sent in to the Massachusetts for installation. This is not industry standard, as Glock and Sig will both send out parts to armorers without questions asked. Being a LE Glock armorer and dealing with Glock at my former agency, I have extensive experience with Glock. Having had a S&W M&P with problems, and experiencing the travesty that is S&W customer service, I know first hand that S&W is a far cry from the top companies in the game.

S&W pistols that are treated for corrosion resistance have poor corrosion resistance. It was big news in 2013 when S&W won a major contract with Los Angeles County Sheriffs Department. What wasn't advertised was that LASD traded all of their pistols back to S&W within the first year due to numerous guns rusting from humidity in the air. My current M&P will have corrosion on numerous metal components if it gets wet at all. The Glock 22 I carried for 7 years at another agency never once rusted, and that includes after rain storms where it got soaked and I left it in the holster and never wiped it down.

Add to that their problems with production and shipping, and how it takes them upwards of 4 months to fill pistol orders, and that explains why LE agencies across the country are dropping S&W. The biggest LE agency in MN just de-authorized S&W M&P pistols, and the second biggest agency is on the edge of doing it.

This is all just for the M&P. It doesn't include the substantial problems they've had with the Sigma series, and it doesn't cover the problems they've had with the M&P15.
S&W used to care, and they used to bend over backwards for LE guns, but now they don't care. Personally, I think that they are becoming such a conglomerate parent company with all the companies they've been buying, that they're going the route of Remington with a reduction in quality to meet production.

[gun_fan111v2]

∆∆∆ Thank you for taking the time to elaborate. Interesting information.

[unknown]

Thank you for all your thoughts.

For my first 1911 I ended up going with the colt 1911 xse government. I can't wait to take her to the Range on Saturday.

[Ghost]

Thank you for all your thoughts.

For my first 1911 I ended up going with the colt 1911 xse government. I can't wait to take her to the Range on Saturday.

Should be a great range trip for you. Which model XSE?

[unknown]

Its the stainless steel model.

[Ghost]

Its the stainless steel model.

Good choice

[Ghost]

Its the stainless steel model.

So, how'd it shoot?

[tator2k]

Finally got my first 9mm 1911. Got the ParaOrd Pro Custom 9 now at CDNN. After a little trigger work it's one of the nicest shooters I have, the sights out of the box were dead on and the fit and finish is one of the best I've seen!