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Re: Laser sights

Postby DeanC on Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:10 am

Don L wrote:What I recommend to folks in my classes for dry practice can work with or without a laser-as the trigger breaks, are the sights staying still? If they're moving, your shot(s) will be off, no matter what kind of sight system you're using, point, flash, laser, whatever.


This is, I think, one the best uses for a laser. I use it on my 2" revolver just for this.

We also have had good luck using a laser on a plastic simulator rifle in DNR classes to demonstrate the stability of shooting positions and proper form.
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Re: Laser sights

Postby Pezhead on Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:51 pm

I can't remember what publication ran the article about using laser either. And my wife always says I have too much useless information in my head.
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Re: Laser sights

Postby JonL on Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:56 pm

Pezhead wrote:I can't remember what publication ran the article about using laser either. And my wife always says I have too much useless information in my head.


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Re: Laser sights

Postby selurcspi on Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:31 pm

JonL wrote:
Pezhead wrote:I can't remember what publication ran the article about using laser either. And my wife always says I have too much useless information in my head.


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Why is this a bad idea?

Postby gunflint on Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:49 pm

If you carry a handgun strictly for self defense wouldn't it make sense to get something like a guide rod laser or laser grips instead of spending hundreds or even thousands of dollars on practice ammo, reloading equipment, night sights, etc. I would think with laser sights you pretty much hit where the light is. No wear and tear on your pistol. Maybe a couple of hundred rounds per year to make sure everything works. I think most of us practice for many reasons and the main reason is that it's a blast (so to speak) but really if all you were worried about was hitting an attacker don't you think a laser would be the cheapest route?
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Re: Why is this a bad idea?

Postby jac714 on Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:56 pm

Sure as long as the batteries don't die or the thing doesn't break.

I am not willing to trust a laser that much.
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Re: Why is this a bad idea?

Postby cobb on Thu Aug 23, 2007 8:03 pm

gunflint wrote:If you carry a handgun strictly for self defense wouldn't it make sense to get something like a guide rod laser or laser grips instead of spending hundreds or even thousands of dollars on practice ammo, reloading equipment, night sights, etc. I would think with laser sights you pretty much hit where the light is. No wear and tear on your pistol. Maybe a couple of hundred rounds per year to make sure everything works. I think most of us practice for many reasons and the main reason is that it's a blast (so to speak) but really if all you were worried about was hitting an attacker don't you think a laser would be the cheapest route?

I don't know how many ways that I can say no.

Get familiar with your carry weapon, the draw, the trigger pull and break, the sight alignment, ammo reliability in your weapon, the recoil control and recovery, reloads and malfunction clearing, etc., etc., etc..

If you lived in a perfect world, the laser may solve all and with a one shot stop, all is good. I really think you are fishing, so you cast this bait, but why practice with your weapon??? OK, your laser batteries fail, the ammo did not go bang, your gun jambed, one shot did not stop and you have to handle the function of firing another round on target, etc., etc.,

gunflint, please tell me you where on a fishing trip with this question..........................
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Re: Why is this a bad idea?

Postby princewally on Thu Aug 23, 2007 8:04 pm

And a laser won't cure jerking the trigger.

And a laser isn't readily visible in all lighting conditions.

And tracking the little red dot in an adrenaline-laced situation is harder that catching the front sight.
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Re: Why is this a bad idea?

Postby gunflint on Thu Aug 23, 2007 8:27 pm

Actually I came up with the question because I couldn't go fishing. (It's raining) Of course I'm not advocating not becoming proficient with your firearm. I was just trying to think outside the box. With the price of ammo going up and the cold hard fact that most of us aren't going to be the next shooting champion is it really necessary to run thousands of rounds through your gun. I enjoy the hell out of going out to the pit and shooting a couple of hundred rounds a week but is it necessary? On the other hand why can't you do both? Realistically wouldn't a laser system be better than say a front night sight? For shooting in the dark. Just trying to have a discussion here. I'm not trying to start any BS.
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Re: Why is this a bad idea?

Postby Aceq2jot on Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:13 pm

I could see where having a laser would help in the situation of shooting from the hip, when some one was approaching fast. And i cannot see anything wrong with practicing both, As how many peeps out there actually have night sights?
Not something that comes standard in most cases.

I actually practice shooting from the hip at 7 feet on a regular basis and having a laser could be a great benefit, for a close distance encouter where you had to shoot before getting the gun all the way up.

And if you turned the laser off and went back to using the fronsight when practicing there should in theory be nothing wrong with it.
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Re: Why is this a bad idea?

Postby phorvick on Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:42 pm

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Re: Why is this a bad idea?

Postby hammAR on Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:52 am

Aceq2jot wrote:I actually practice shooting from the hip at 7 feet on a regular basis and having a laser could be a great benefit, for a close distance encouter where you had to shoot before getting the gun all the way up.

And if you turned the laser off and went back to using the fronsight when practicing there should in theory be nothing wrong with it.


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how do you get your head down there to see the front sight when you are shooting from the hip.......... :P :P :P :P

Seriously, that is why I utilize and practice exclusively point shooting/indexing and have removed the sights from my carry. Pointnshoot will work in any light conditions, eyes open, closed, or partially obstructed..............and in a tactical draw you can shoot and hit from positions 3 to 5............................and as DonL pointed out, that the shooters eye is drawn to the red dot, and in a situation (remember tunnel vision), shooters would move their focus from the threat, to the laser beam, and then their eyes would follow the laser beam, breaking the total focus on the threat.

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Re: Laser sights

Postby plblark on Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:27 am

Good natured jibe that I just can't pass up: Well, with rectal cranial inversion, sighting from the hip becomes easier. :-)

I had a recent chance to see a guy point / index shoot from the waist in a two handed grip. It was educational. Patterns, not groups, but nothing outside the target and it would be effective.

Like anything, it would take a bit of practice though.

The question then is, how can you work to take advantage of a laser without suffering from its pitfalls? (dot focus, batteries, find the dot)?
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Re: Laser sights

Postby Don L on Fri Aug 24, 2007 9:20 am

I'm with Cobb.(Sorry,Tom-He's got a point.) While I agree that it can be expensive to practice, IMHO there's no substitute. One possibility could be to make your (our) practice more effective. Get some (good) training (I do that a couple of times a year myself). If that instructor is "on the ball", they can give you some practice drills to do at home (I give everyone "homework". You don't need me all the time.), and at the range. Between what you can do at home, then at the range, a person could do just fine shooting 100-200 rounds a month. Again IMHO, equipment doesn't make up for skills. Can't afford it? Then be at the range some time when I am-I usually put on informal classes for folks when I'm done with my practice, or class quals, etc. I see folks send hundreds, and hundreds, of rounds downrange without seeing any improvement, because they're doing the same things over, and over again (Yes, with lasers, too.). An Example: Recently Mary and I were at the range working on the course of fire for the next class, when a senior stopped his shooting to watch us. We worked with him for a while, and he said, "I just learned more in the last hour, than in the last 20 years". and left with a big smile on his face. Another great day at the range!
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Re: Laser sights

Postby rtk on Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:28 pm

+ 1 on The DonL comments. I was at the range yesterday shooting from retention, shooting right hand only, shooting left hand only, shooting no-handed (just kidding :o ), shooting moving foward, shooting moving backwards. We don't need no-stinkin lasers, we just all need to pratice, practice, practice!

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