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Re: AR9 suggestions?

Postby Scratch on Sat Apr 11, 2020 7:36 am

Holland&Holland wrote:
yukonjasper wrote:What are the advantages of 9mm AR rifles? Is it the available ammo and CQ effectiveness?


1) fun as heck to shoot
2) cheap plentiful ammo when not in a pandemic
3) handy self defense round in a compact package if you go sbr
4) easy to clean
5) almost no recoil
6) fun as heck to shoot

7) you can shoot steel targets with an AR at close distances
8) reloading 9mm is much easier than 5.56
9) 9mm is much quieter for your neighbors than 5.56
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Re: AR9 suggestions?

Postby Holland&Holland on Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:08 am

Scratch wrote:
Holland&Holland wrote:
yukonjasper wrote:What are the advantages of 9mm AR rifles? Is it the available ammo and CQ effectiveness?


1) fun as heck to shoot
2) cheap plentiful ammo when not in a pandemic
3) handy self defense round in a compact package if you go sbr
4) easy to clean
5) almost no recoil
6) fun as heck to shoot

7) you can shoot steel targets with an AR at close distances
8) reloading 9mm is much easier than 5.56
9) 9mm is much quieter for your neighbors than 5.56


You forgot 10) Fun as heck to shoot!
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Re: AR9 suggestions?

Postby Scratch on Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:28 pm

I had another idea...

The reason I wanted it to be able to take Glock mags was that I have a bunch of them already, and didn't want to have to get colt mags. I wish I didn't have to use thin pistol caliber mags though because I want it to be so close to my ARs, but I have to use thin Glock mags instead of normal size 5.56 mags.

I know the Mean Arms 9mm conversion mags have been out for a while, but I've heard you have to get the right combination of upper, and BCG for them to work reliably.

I recently found out that CMMG has added to their Banshee line of guns with the new Mk4 series. It looks like their radial blowback design on their BCG's work very well with the Mean Arms mags. That makes it even better for me since the mags are the exact same size that I train with. Plus, it works with standard forged lowers which means BAD levers should work fine!

Now I'm debating on if I should just get the CMMG upper and BCG, along with the mags, and use my lower... or if I should buy a complete Banshee from them. I could just get the upper and BCG, use my lower, and convert my Pmags, but if I buy the whole shebang from them, it has a lifetime guarantee to run.
If I buy from them, I'll also have the upper, lower and handguard Cerakoted from them for 150.00, so that's a plus also.


Hmmmm, decisions decisions.....
Anyone here have a Banshee Mk4 9mm, or is using that upper with the Mean Arms mags... or know anyone that does?
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Re: AR9 suggestions?

Postby 4weelin on Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:34 pm

The answer is

CMMG Banshee 9mm pistol that takes Glock mags. 300 series gets you all the extras. 8" barrel

Mine has 3 lug adaptor for Omega 9K. Shooting 150 grain bullets makes it very quiet.

Never understood the Bad lever thing. Don't own one.

If you pass on this setup because a Bad lever won't work, you're making a mistake
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Re: AR9 suggestions?

Postby westhope on Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:18 am

I purchased a new CMMG Banshee 45 ACP about a month ago. It jams almost every round. I contacted CMMG and they said they will TRY to arrange for me to return it by April 17. They know of the problems with it and are working on a fix.
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Re: AR9 suggestions?

Postby Holland&Holland on Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:36 am

westhope wrote:I purchased a new CMMG Banshee 45 ACP about a month ago. It jams almost every round. I contacted CMMG and they said they will TRY to arrange for me to return it by April 17. They know of the problems with it and are working on a fix.


That sucks.
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Re: AR9 suggestions?

Postby Scratch on Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:45 am

westhope wrote:I purchased a new CMMG Banshee 45 ACP about a month ago. It jams almost every round. I contacted CMMG and they said they will TRY to arrange for me to return it by April 17. They know of the problems with it and are working on a fix.

Good to know. I've heard of only good reviews from CMMG stuff, but I know there must be bad stuff out there. I'm curious to see how well they take care of your problem. I know it might be hard during the Coronapocalypse. Let me know what happens please.
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Re: AR9 suggestions?

Postby Scratch on Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:25 pm

Well I ended up ordering a CMMG Banshee upper with their RDB bolt/carrier and CMMG/Mean Arms Endomags. I'll be installing that on my pistol lower with an SBA3 brace. Those Endomags are kind of expensive, but I have over 30 Pmags that I got as a great deal on a bulk order once, and I got set up as a CMMG dealer so I got a decent discount on the setup. Unfortunately, they said it could take as Long as 12 weeks!

The only box it doesn't check on my list is using Glock mags, but I'm happier with these anyways since I was going for as close to an AR15 as possible.

Can't wait!
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Re: AR9 suggestions?

Postby Holland&Holland on Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:24 pm

Glad you found what you wanted. I have list of about 12 guns that I really want but are not quite made, many are close, but not quite.
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Re: AR9 suggestions?

Postby westhope on Thu May 21, 2020 9:17 am

CMMG Banshee 45 ACP received yesterday (5-20). I returned it for frequent jamming on 4-28 after waiting for approval to return because of the COVID 19 virus.

I put about 200 rounds through it. No problems. I used several varieties of 45 ACP; even my 200 gr SWC which they do not recommend using in their manual. Glock 13 round and SMG 23 round magazines. All worked fine. No problems.

They said they replaced the BCG & magazine catch. They said mine was an early S/N and have updated the new models with the modifications done to mine.

Trigger pull is about 6.5 # and will install JP springs to lower it today to about 4 #. CMMG said that will be no problem.
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Re: AR9 suggestions?

Postby Scratch on Thu May 21, 2020 12:28 pm

westhope wrote:CMMG Banshee 45 ACP received yesterday (5-20). I returned it for frequent jamming on 4-28 after waiting for approval to return because of the COVID 19 virus.

I put about 200 rounds through it. No problems. I used several varieties of 45 ACP; even my 200 gr SWC which they do not recommend using in their manual. Glock 13 round and SMG 23 round magazines. All worked fine. No problems.

They said they replaced the BCG & magazine catch. They said mine was an early S/N and have updated the new models with the modifications done to mine.

Trigger pull is about 6.5 # and will install JP springs to lower it today to about 4 #. CMMG said that will be no problem.

Good to hear.
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Re: AR9 suggestions?

Postby Rowdy Roddy on Sun May 31, 2020 9:06 am

Scratch wrote:Well I ended up ordering a CMMG Banshee upper with their RDB bolt/carrier and CMMG/Mean Arms Endomags. I'll be installing that on my pistol lower with an SBA3 brace. Those Endomags are kind of expensive, but I have over 30 Pmags that I got as a great deal on a bulk order once, and I got set up as a CMMG dealer so I got a decent discount on the setup. Unfortunately, they said it could take as Long as 12 weeks!

The only box it doesn't check on my list is using Glock mags, but I'm happier with these anyways since I was going for as close to an AR15 as possible.

Can't wait!


Built an AR-9 for use with Endomags about a year ago and love that gun. Hasn't missed a beat with any ammo I have tried. Glock mag lowers are known for feed issues with some barrels but the Endomag design jsut guides them right into the chamber. You can get the inserts for $25 a pop and I have a ton of P-Mags that I got for $7 a pop so not much more than a 32 round Glock mag and you don't need a mag well adaptor. I have a 22LR upper that can use the same lower for cheap practice. You will love it.
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Re: AR9 suggestions?

Postby Scratch on Sun May 31, 2020 10:22 am

Rowdy Roddy wrote:
Scratch wrote:Well I ended up ordering a CMMG Banshee upper with their RDB bolt/carrier and CMMG/Mean Arms Endomags. I'll be installing that on my pistol lower with an SBA3 brace. Those Endomags are kind of expensive, but I have over 30 Pmags that I got as a great deal on a bulk order once, and I got set up as a CMMG dealer so I got a decent discount on the setup. Unfortunately, they said it could take as Long as 12 weeks!

The only box it doesn't check on my list is using Glock mags, but I'm happier with these anyways since I was going for as close to an AR15 as possible.

Can't wait!


Built an AR-9 for use with Endomags about a year ago and love that gun. Hasn't missed a beat with any ammo I have tried. Glock mag lowers are known for feed issues with some barrels but the Endomag design jsut guides them right into the chamber. You can get the inserts for $25 a pop and I have a ton of P-Mags that I got for $7 a pop so not much more than a 32 round Glock mag and you don't need a mag well adaptor. I have a 22LR upper that can use the same lower for cheap practice. You will love it.


Counting down the weeks.... :D
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