Considering a Glcok 23.....any thoughts?

[Ymmit07]

Well i figure what better place to come to ask about it then here. This will be my first pistol and definitely not my last well that is if it get pass the "FUN FILTER". Anyways which ever the county feels like dragging their feet on longer my P2P or P2C, I plan on going to Bills to rent theirs. I have looked at the Springfield's but i personally don't like the palm safety.

So what are you thought on this particular model? I plan on sticking .40 and up but a the same time don't plan on breaking the bank either. Any holster recommendation for this model?

Have a great Monday.

Thanks,
Tim

[Stradawhovious]

You are on the right track by renting/trying one first. My problem is that I see a gun...... say OOOooooooooo.... Pretty! Buy said gun, then sell it because it doesn't fit well in my hands, or it doesn't point well for me, or I simply don't enjoy shooting it. You can save yourself a lot of money by trying them first, and being objective with the experience. For me, the most difficult part of this process is the little part of my brain that says... "I know it's not that comfortable...... but I really really want it!" (and in some cases I let that voice get the best of me, since they are just too cool to pass up. ) Once that little voice is pushed out, it's easier to get a collection of guns that works well for you. My recommendation would be to try several. If you can't afford to rent a bunch of guns there, put up a post here. Many of the folks that post here often are always looking for an excuse to ge to the range, and more often than not, they are willing to let you try their guns.

Make sure it's comfortable, make sure it points well, make sure you can hit your target with it, buy it, and shoot it often.

Congrats!

[Pezhead]

It's always best to try before you buy. We've all made impulse buys. Bill's shooter show is also a good chance to try different guns if you don't mind the crowds.
Now I just need to get up to the range.

[Ymmit07]

Yeah I plan on going to Bills to rent one when either of the permits come. I'm just wondering if anyone has any insight on this gun? I know there are Glock guys and i know there are people who hate them? It's going to be my carry piece so i'm just fishing for some Pro & cons others have.. Impulse buy?!?!?!? Never!!!! Ok well maybe. I already have my second gun picked out but need to get my carry piece done first. Looking at a Ruger Mark II or III for the second gun.

Shooting it often is where i'm kind of stuck. .40's aren't terribly expensive but 9's are cheaper. But i want stopping power which is why i am 90% .40 and 10% 9mm for a carry piece.

Tim

[Stradawhovious]

I know there are Glock guys and i know there are people who hate them?

I am from the Non-Glock camp, so I can speak (to some extent) on their behalf.

First and foremost complaint you will hear from non-glock people is the grip angle. For me, the natural point for any glock is about 6-8" high at 21 feet. Totally unacceptable. I have to force my grip into something that feels unnatural, and uncomfortable just to hit the target at 21 feet.

Next, is the fact that it's a plactic gun. This one doesn't bother me so much, I carry a plastic gun too.

The more structural reasons are that the Glocks don't have a supported chamber (I don't know if they have changed this over the years or not). This is much of the reason for the infamous "Glock Kaboom" you have read about (or will read about in the Google search that results from this thread, ). This happened in a few Glocks, but especially with the higher pressure rounds like the .40. Not terribly common, but documented. Let the record show, however, that ANY gun is capable of a kaboom uder the right circumstances.

Also, for many the Glock is unattractive to look at. This also isn't a big deal to me personally since my current carry is as ugly as any Glock.

There are a few other things that people dislike about the Glock, but for everything that one person dislikes about it, another likes about it. It's all bout personal preference.


As for the cost of ammo, My .40 is a S&W Sigma 40VE. It's a plastic framed gun that is built almost identical to a Glock, but with a few differences. Mine has a harder and longer trigger pull, a supported chamber, traditional rifling in the barrel and only costs about $250 new. I can afford to shoot .40 all day long since I reload for it, and each round only costs me about 11 cents. .40 ammo in the store isn't all that much more expensive than 9mm, and in a SHTF scenario the .40 will traditionally perform much better than the 9mm. If you want an inexpensive range plinker, go out and get a .22 auto.

my.02, YMMV.

[Paul]

I am a big fan of the Glocks and think they are the best things out there. I personally carry a 22 for work, and a 27 as a carry gun and love them both. I do think you really need to try out the 19 and 23 to compare the difference in calibers. I haven't noticed this, but some people say they .40 is much more unpleasant to shoot than the 9mm and wouldn't carry once because of that. If that's the case for you, I would definitely go with a 9mm that you practice with and shoot regularly, as opposed to a .40 that you don't shoot because it's uncomfortable. Any deficiencies in the performance of the 9mm would be overcome by the fact the you are shooting regularly and proficient with the gun you are carrying, in my opinion.

Also, I was told by a Glock rep that all of the kabooms they know about were all a result of reloads, not factory ammunition. Again this came from the manufacturer, so take it for what it's worth... Which is not much.

Finally to answer your question in general about the 23... I think the mid size frame is perfect if you are only going to have one handgun in a center fire caliber (at least for now). I think it's a perfect compromise between being small enough to carry or conceal, and large enough to be enjoyable to shoot at the range all day.

[EAJuggalo]

I am a Glock fan and carry a 21SF every day, I would recommend trying all three sizes and seeing what you shoot best as well as what kind of difference you see in the sizes. I'm 6'2" 230lbs and had no problems concealing a G31 for over four years before moving to a slightly larger gun in the 21. I know I can't shoot the sub-compacts well and my hands don't feel comfortable on the compacts.

As far as holsters go for Outside the WaistBand I carry in a Sideguard Holsters "Snap." and for Inside the WaistBand I use either a CTAC or MTAC from Comp-Tac Victory Gear.

[PhilaBOR]

Lots of people own and love Glocks.

When I was in the market for a mainstream servicv pistol, a very knowledgable friend suggested the S&W M&P. I never looked back. I have a .40 and a .357 sig. For me, they shoot nice, aim naturally, and aren't picky on ammo. They come in full size and compact and now in 5" barrel.

I'd consider getting another in 9 just for cheaper practice.

Of course, YMMV. Bills probably have rentals, try one or two out.


Phil

[phorvick]

I like the 19/23 size. Seems an excellent choice. For holsters, I am very partial to http://rmholsters.com

[PhilaBOR]

Lots of people own and love Glocks.

When I was in the market for a mainstream servicv pistol, a very knowledgable friend suggested the S&W M&P. I never looked back. I have a .40 and a .357 sig. For me, they shoot nice, aim naturally, and aren't picky on ammo. They come in full size and compact and now in 5" barrel.

I'd consider getting another in 9 just for cheaper practice.

Of course, YMMV. Bills probably have rentals, try one or two out.


Phil

[1911fan]

Also, I was told by a Glock rep that all of the kabooms they know about were all a result of reloads, not factory ammunition. Again this came from the manufacturer, so take it for what it's worth... Which is not much.

This is simply untrue. Not that I am doubting the rep told you this, but at least half the KB's reported thru streichers occurred with factory ammo, on firing lines that never allowed reloads on them. I personally witnessed a 23 go to pieces at Bill's north, and the guy was shooting American Eagle federals, he was a decent shooter, showed no bad habits, and was shooting double taps from low ready when I heard what sounded like a Semi air brake letting loose. he dropped the gun and grabbed his hand. He had a pretty nasty burn between his index finger and middle finger of his off hand and the mag release was gone. The mag was no longer in the gun and the slide was setting off the frame at an angle. after he got his hand attended to, I gave him my name and info if he needed to get in touch with Glock re a new pistol. He called me a week later saying glock was sending him a new weapon, free.

I believe that since the 3rd G glocks came out, the issue has been resolved with better QC on the depth of the chamber and the disconnect working better to prevent out of battery discharges .

[ArtVandelay]

I love my 3rd gen 23, for carry I wouldn't want anything less than .40.

Holster recommendation Blackhawk CQC.

[MrVvrroomm]

I'm just wondering if anyone has any insight on this gun? It's going to be my carry piece so i'm just fishing for some Pro & cons others have..

The 23 is an outstanding carry weapon. I have owned several 23's, it's a great all-around gun. You can't go wrong.

Here's a deal for you: Join GSSF for $35 annual fee http://www.gssfonline.com/. One of the perks of annual membership is being able to buy one Glock pistol per year at near-law enforcement pricing. Example: Glock 23 with standard sights for $425, brand new, latest/greatest. If you absolutely hate it, you'll most likely be able to sell it for at least what you paid for it.

Another perk is being able to get out and shoot a GSSF sponsored Glock match or two during the upcoming season. There's a Glock match at Oakdale in July.

I've attached a GSSF pistol price list.

[Ymmit07]

Thanks for the Input fellas. This is exactly what i am looking for. Differences in opinions. Yes it ultimately boils down to My personal preference but i wanted outside opinions. It will be a .40 that i buy. I just purchased 200 rounds in .40 at wally world. They are Winchesters and they only had 4 100round boxes which i never see. At $30 bucks a box seemed like a good deal. I stopped at Fleet Farm but they only had Blazer Brass and blazer (something else) that had the aluminum casing.

I do have to say I stopped at Joe's Sporting goods on my way home today just to poke around and get prices. Other than high prices they have some stand up guys there. I ended up walking out with 4 different pieces of literature on the Glocks they where pretty helpful. I did call Gun Stop today also they have the Glock 9mm & .40 for $499 and $560 with night sites which doesn't seem like a bad price compared to whats on Gun Broker. I would much prefer to buy at a local store even if it is a few more bucks.

The holster deal is kind of last on my list. I still need to know what hand i am more comfortable shooting with. It's seem as though i am kind of ambidextrous when shooting. This is helpful in a sense that i could just use a cross draw which i feel would be best especially in the car. But time will tell after i am out trying them out and plinking. Anyone have on that they are willing to lend out? I am certainly wondering what is gonna be comfortable.

[Ymmit07]

Example: Glock 23 with standard sights for $425, brand new, latest/greatest. If you absolutely hate it, you'll most likely be able to sell it for at least what you paid for it.

Another perk is being able to get out and shoot a GSSF sponsored Glock match or two during the upcoming season. There's a Glock match at Oakdale in July.

1) Who do you deal with on getting the pistol? FLL Transfers?

2) Oakdale Gun Club? That's not to far from home. Go there sight the rifles in.