So I was invited to the Boberg facility...

View · by **MNBlackjack** on Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:04 pm

I brought my wife along too and we shot a few different Boberg pistols. I really liked the feel and function of the little buggers. I liked them so much that I signed a dealer agreement and ordered three of them and took one home with me as well.

View · by **Dill** on Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:12 pm

I got to fondle, err, check out this pistol today. What a nice piece, very solidly built, it really had class written all over it. It's also pretty unique, I've never seen magazines that you load bullet-first. I will own one some day

View · by **sonic** on Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:25 am

Is there any awareness of the status of Boberg as a Minnesota Manufacturer and not subject to Federal Regulation as far as sales?

View · by **BemidjiDweller** on Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:54 am

Interesting design, what are the prices like? Might pick one up over the next year out of sheer curiosity.

View · by **old guy** on Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:36 am

BemidjiDweller wrote:Interesting design, what are the prices like? Might pick one up over the next year out of sheer curiosity.

They are a $1000 bucs apiece and yeah I have one too. If you are recoil shy these have about half the felt recoil of a PF9.

John

View · by **xd ED** on Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:50 am

sonic wrote:Is there any awareness of the status of Boberg as a Minnesota Manufacturer and not subject to Federal Regulation as far as sales?

What federal regulation might they not be subject to, and for what reason?

View · by **mrp** on Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:23 am

sonic wrote:Is there any awareness of the status of Boberg as a Minnesota Manufacturer and not subject to Federal Regulation as far as sales?

SCOTUS has ruled that growing wheat on your own farm, for your own consumption, can be regulated under the interstate commerce clause.

More recently, the feds argued that they could enforce gun free school zones because having a gun near a school could cause the students to be nervous, which could impact their learning, which would impact their jobs later in life, which affects interstate commerce. SCOTUS rejected the argument, but it was a 5-4 decision.

I could be wrong, but I don't see any way that the feds or SCOTUS is going to agree that the fact that a firearm is made in Minnesota and sold in Minnesota is in any way going to exempt it from federal regulation under the commerce clause. If I don't buy a Boberg, I might buy something else, and that affects interstate commerce. People who own a Boberg also buy ammunition, and some of that ammunition comes in boxes which were cut with sheers which are sharpened with grinding wheels made by a company that uses abrasives made in Michigan. That's interstate commerce.

View · by **xd ED** on Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:37 am

mrp wrote:
sonic wrote:Is there any awareness of the status of Boberg as a Minnesota Manufacturer and not subject to Federal Regulation as far as sales?

SCOTUS has ruled that growing wheat on your own farm, for your own consumption, can be regulated under the interstate commerce clause.

More recently, the feds argued that they could enforce gun free school zones because having a gun near a school could cause the students to be nervous, which could impact their learning, which would impact their jobs later in life, which affects interstate commerce. SCOTUS rejected the argument, but it was a 5-4 decision.

I could be wrong, but I don't see any way that the feds or SCOTUS is going to agree that the fact that a firearm is made in Minnesota and sold in Minnesota is in any way going to exempt it from federal regulation under the commerce clause. If I don't buy a Boberg, I might buy something else, and that affects interstate commerce. People who own a Boberg also buy ammunition, and some of that ammunition comes in boxes which were cut with sheers which are sharpened with grinding wheels made by a company that uses abrasives made in Michigan. That's interstate commerce.

I was wondering if the OP was perhaps referring to the interstate commerce clause, which has been mis-, and overly interpreted to the point of becoming nothing.
The materials likely came from out of sate, if not the tools, or any number of mis-applied reasonings.
It is perhaps the most egregious example of federal government overreach to date.

View · by **Pat Cannon** on Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:53 am

I got to shoot one of these once back when it was in the prototype stage. I too was impressed. If and when I get a little richer, one of these things might lure me back to semiautos.

View · by **Ron Burgundy** on Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:13 am

Looks cool. I'd like to handle one.

It looks to me like you'd have to be a little careful with the 'thumbs forward' approach when shooting that pig.

View · by **mmcnx2** on Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:51 am

Cool but at the price they are asking it is destine to be a novelty gun. I doubt they will ever sell enough to make them a going concern.

Engineering looks interesting but to what purpose? It gains you some velocity, but in a 9mm self defense gun I'm not sure that really is amjor factor.

View · by **Snowgun** on Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:33 pm

mmcnx2 wrote:Engineering looks interesting but to what purpose? It gains you some velocity, but in a 9mm self defense gun I'm not sure that really is amjor factor.

The purpose is to put a 9mm at high velocity in one of the smallest footprint packages ever. I just wish he would cut 100 thou off the thickness....

View · by **xd ED** on Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:04 pm

Plus the forward grip makes for less muzzle flip.

View · by **dcam** on Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:30 am

I saw 3 of these Weds at DK mags, black, and 2 stainless versions. Very cool little guns!