Single stack vs single stack?

[Tronster]

So why is there a general attitude amongst gun owners that a single stack .45 1911 with 8 rounds is more than enough to defend against an attacker, but a single stack 9mm holding 8 rounds is hardly adequate? Does anyone really feel under armed with an 8 shot 9mm?

They both hold the same capacity, but the 9mm is generally smaller, lighter, softer shooting, and cheaper to practice with.
(BTW I sometimes carry a Sig P6. I've tried carrying pistols with 15 or 17 round mags but is awfully heavy.)

[Pat Cannon]

It's because one round of .45 ACP will drop the biggest toughest attacker every single time, whereas 8 hits with 9mm will only enrage them and they'll kill you while you're trying to stuff a fresh magazine into that skinny little mag well.

[FJ540]

230gr of .45 will do more damage than 124gr of 9mm every time.

9mm isn't as bad as Pat makes it out though. SD ammo has come a long way in the pip squeak calibers.

[Ron Burgundy]

It's because one round of .45 ACP will drop the biggest toughest attacker every single time, whereas 8 hits with 9mm will only enrage them and they'll kill you while you're trying to stuff a fresh magazine into that skinny little mag well.

^^^this

[Thunder71]

You can make 9mm get larger, you can't make 45 get smaller.

[Tronster]

Oh good grief, all pistol rounds are weak. It's about shot placement.

But besides being a 9/45 debate, a 9mm is just easier to carry and just having a pistol on you when the cards are on the table is the first step. I'm just tired of hearing how a 1911 (as nice as they are) is the holy grail of real man carry guns. I doubt those same people even carry it half the time that someone with a 9mm does.

[XDM45]

Well, I OC an XDm with a 13 round mag + 1 for 14, plus a spare 13 round mag for a total of 27 for that firearm. Once I get good enough with it, I plan on CCing as a backup, my XDs with 2 7-round mags (1 in the gun and 1 spare) + 1 in the chamber for a total of 15. I figure 42 rounds ought to be enough, (even for that ain't-ever-gonna-happen-mall-zombie-attack-situation), don't ya think?

The XDm is a double stack, the XDs is a single stack, so soon I'll do both.

As for 9 vs. 45, it's an old debate like OC vs. CC is. 9mm is cheaper, I sure wouldn't want to get shot with one, and I agree, it's shot placement that matters most of all because your goal is to stop the threat.

My reasoning for a .45ACP is simply because a) it will cause severe blood loss (with the right shot placements and type of ammo) and b) it will provide one heck of a shock to their nervous system (as will many calibers), so that's why for me...making cavities and shocking the system to stop the threat.

[MasonK]

Because .45 ACP is a heat-seeking bullet with a bonded core made not of lead, but of magic.

To wit, one round of .45 shot in the general direction of a BG will cause him to disappear in a puff of smoke and erase his ancestors back to the dawn of creation.

This is a Ford vs. Chevy argument that has no real answer. I used to swear by my .44 Magnum, now I carry 9mm.

//Grabbing popcorn, this is going to be a fun thread.

[Thunder71]

But besides being a 9/45 debate, a 9mm is just easier to carry and just having a pistol on you when the cards are on the table is the first step.

Please explain how a 9 is easier to carry.

9mm on the left, 45 on the right. I actually get faster and more accurate follow up shots with my XD-S 45 than my XD-M 9mm. I think the answer here is to carry what you shoot best, and what you will actually carry.

The argument of I carry a 9mm because a hit with a 9 is better than a miss with a 45 is just plain stupid.

[xd ED]

But besides being a 9/45 debate, a 9mm is just easier to carry and just having a pistol on you when the cards are on the table is the first step.

[Tronster]

my arguement is single stack 9 vs 45 your double stack examples dont apply here

[JustPlainT]

I think the reason is that the fanboys have accepted and defend the 1911 to the grave, regardless of actual merit.

Not knocking the 1911, but it is what it is: a single stack of .45 ACP.

Meanwhile, people are getting more and more used to double stack wonder-nines that hold 15+ rounds, every time. So when an ultra slim single stack comes out, they get cranky because they can't have their crazy capacity and don't get how physics works and how you can't fit them into that space.

It's because one round of .45 ACP will drop the biggest toughest attacker every single time, whereas 8 hits with 9mm will only enrage them and they'll kill you while you're trying to stuff a fresh magazine into that skinny little mag well.

This better be a joke.

[goalie]

230gr of .45 will do more damage than 124gr of 9mm every time.

Not true.

[damian_mb]

I think I am more worried about capacity rather than "knock" down power (which doesn't really exist). Any SD ammo will make the other person think twice about taking that extra step forward.

[Holland&Holland]

If you reall want to defend yourself get a Ma Duece otherwise you are just joking around.