Use what works

[Einthoven's Triangle]

Since the Questioon about Glocks got off the mark.....

Reviewing a few things

#1 Glocks plain flat out work! Time and Time again! They are user serviceable. And, if you need stock factory parts we are fortunate to have Streichers in Plymouth where you can walk out with most stuff you need to get a gun back in action. They are not hard to learn to shoot for the novice gun handler. They are a good value for the money, and they can be had for way less then a 1911 for the most part. The cost point is very affordable and mags are not out of this world.

#2 1911's are in fact better then they used to be from the factory then in the past. But, they still are guns that require TLC spring changes every X# of round. A for most of you that would be a life time of shooting. Most of the fire control parts are not user replaceable at the novice level. They need some hand fitting, and it is easy to wreck a sear and hammer combo..! And, that is can be costly and dangerous to them or others if improperly installed! To me the 1911 is a great platform for a person that actually goes out becomes proficent with maint, shooting, and carrying. Be real that label fits very few of you!

#3 Most of the people on the board are not shooters, they own guns, they keyboard all the time about this or that. Geez just look at the pethora of subjects generated?
People spend far less time shooting then lead on. PERIOD! I love seeing people with their gear at Bill's with every gadget on the freaking gun only to see they can not put rounds on target! They whip out their tricked out AR and gear up. Yet they can not hit the target.!

#4 No matter who you attribute the 4 rules of gun safety to, they are to the point! Referncing Jeff Cooper is just plain giving some credit one of the fathers of modern guncraft!
People insisiting on safety's are foolish people. Man, revolvers were and are carried with out benefit of mechanical safety. The #1 part of safety is the person with the gun! Pretty simple keep the booger hooker off the trigger till you sights on target, and you know the rest of the drill.....but for review.
RULE I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

RULE II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY

RULE III: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET

#5 The one thing people should be doing is practice with what you carry. You should have no questions as to function and performance. in other words train with what you fight with! Yeah that is fight with, not some game playing with slicked up 1911...If that is 642 then so be it! If that is SW3906 so be it! If it is Ruger P345 so be it! Get a solid holster not some cheapo one. The point is you have to have confidence in what you are capable of and the platform is capable of. Pretty straight forward!

[gunflint]

Well excuse the hell out of me.

[Pat Cannon]

Regarding your point #3, how many rounds per month makes one a "shooter"? Just so I can know if I am one.

[Stradawhovious]

So wait.... Let me get this straight..... You are saying that nobody here but you can shoot because A. some of us here have interests that lay outside the scope of firearms.....and B. Some mall ninja (who may or may not a forum member) can't hit the broad side of a barn with his EBR? I think its pretty presumptuous to put yourself on such a high pedestal, and blindly criticize over 500 others.

I may not be the best shot, or spend several hours a week gearing up to be a "gunfighter" like you, but I can put rounds on target, and so can most EVERY ofhter person on this board that I have shot with. More importantly, we are all having fun, and enjoy the sport of it. So please be more careful when you throw your criticizms around, you might just make yourself look foolish.

[Widge]

Some of us have jobs which don't permit us to spend the time to become high speed low drag tactical operators like other members . Doesn't make our opinions worth any less though, nor our experiences any less valid.

Of course, maybe we should take all our weapons and restrict ourselves to single shot coach guns, bolt action rifles and SA revolvers so someone doesn't have a stroke when we turn up to the range and have a bad day with the paper.

[meltedeyes]

What are your qualifications for mking the claims that you have made?

How many times do you go to the range?
How many rounds do you fire?
What do you shoot?
Got any proof that you are always on target other than your say-so?
Your overuse of excalamation marks is bothersome.
And with the way that you are always complaining about what you see at the range, maybe you should just stop going. You make it sounds like everybody but you is using a tricked out AR with reloaded rounds that since you obviously didn't make them where made by a noob and will probably blow up their gun any second now.

And what is your definition of a shooter? I am a gun owner. I use it to shoot targets of one sort or another. I am a shooter. I do not own my guns as an investement leaving them in a temperature and humidity controlled safe and never get used. I shoot my guns. hence I am a shooter. I am not a collector.
Without deffinitions what you claim/say is bordering on useless.

[David]

I'm curious how you know about the shooting abilities of the people around here. Have you shot with any of them? And even if people around here are not good shooters, so what? There's no requirement to have ever fired a gun to be here. You could certainly frame your points without being so confrontational. It looks to me like you're just trolling for an argument.

[princewally]

So, ET....how many real self-defense situations have you been in? Have you had to pull the trigger in a real self-defense situation? Or even drawn your gun in a real situation?

[cmj685]

I might have had some of the same opinions as you about guys on the board and their shooting...until I started shooting with many of them. When I actually started shooting with these guys (and some of the gals too) I realized how many really outstanding shooters we have on the board. Fast351, McPhisto, EAJuggalo, Westburg, Selurcspi.... the list could go on much longer. If you want to see guys who can shoot, look at the results of the steel shoots every month. These guys are outstanding gun handlers and shooters. Guys that I would give anything to have at my back if anything bad ever went down. I don't think most of us who shoot in events like IDPA do it to make ourselves feel like we are real gunslingers or mall ninjas. I think many of us do it because we realize that it is probably the closest we can come to real situations and so we practice the best we can. And because we enjoy the shooting and the comradary of one another. And I would second what was already said...c'mon out to a steel shoot, or IDPA, or the GSSF and shoot with the guys. It will probably make you humble. It did me.

[bensdad]

I don't know folks... I think ET should either show up at the Oct. Steel shoot and beat us all, or post a statement to the effect that MGTers are the lords of shooting. I'll be there, with my carry piece, doing some "game playing." Just hope I learn as much as I did at the last one. See you there, ET.

[Pinnacle]

What are your qualifications for mking the claims that you have made?

How many times do you go to the range?
How many rounds do you fire?
What do you shoot?
Got any proof that you are always on target other than your say-so?
Your overuse of excalamation marks is bothersome.
And with the way that you are always complaining about what you see at the range, maybe you should just stop going. You make it sounds like everybody but you is using a tricked out AR with reloaded rounds that since you obviously didn't make them where made by a noob and will probably blow up their gun any second now.

And what is your definition of a shooter? I am a gun owner. I use it to shoot targets of one sort or another. I am a shooter. I do not own my guns as an investement leaving them in a temperature and humidity controlled safe and never get used. I shoot my guns. hence I am a shooter. I am not a collector.
Without deffinitions what you claim/say is bordering on useless.

I don't really care about what anyone has to say on the internet to make themselves feel better - but please come on..... We have some really good people here and yeah some of them can shoot.

I for one cannot shoot - perhaps you could teach me?

[jaysong]

[gman1868]

HK - No Compromise

[Stradawhovious]

HK - No Compromise

I never get tired of laughing at that!!

[ttousi]

That mag was originally designed for the semi auto version of this gun

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