I touched a Glock......(shiver)

[Seismic Sam]

Alright, I'm getting winter fever, and looking around for some sort of firearm project to keep me amused while my knee heals up. I have been toying with trying to get one of my 10mm's to run 9x25 Dillon for some time, but nobody seems to make 1911 barrels any more in that caliber. Bar Sto has sworn off doing it, and the only place where you can easily find 9x25 barrels is Lone Wolf for the (gulp!) Glock. So I went to Bill's yesterday, and asked to see a G20 or G21, and they gave me a G21, and the first feeling I noticed when holding it was a feeling of, well, claustrophobia. I have huge hands, which fit nicely around Hogue finger groove grips on a DE50, and can also hold an entire reloading n00b over a fire and roast them for dinner. (I'm fireproof, n00bs are not....) So my fingers felt bunched together on the grip, and the trigger guard was too close to the palm of my hand, so when I reached for the trigger my finger would touch the outside of the trigger guard, and I had to bend the finger first and then put it in the too small trigger guard.

Then I tried pulling the trigger. WTF?? Is this the long road to Tipperary?? You squeeze and squeeze and squeeze and it FINALLY goes click. So serious question for Glock shooters: How do you figure out where the set point is so you can shoot accurately?? I couldn't feel a damn thing until it went click.

At any rate, the 9x25 Dillon Glock project is in the wastebasket and never coming back out, but I am mystified on how you can pull back just far enough to draw a steady bead on the target and then trip it in that instant when everything is lining up.

EDIT 2 days later after going back to Bill's:

Well, from the advice I got, I went back and tried the trigger after it had been held down and the slide dropped home. It was a lot better, but still squisher than a stainless Ruger Redhawk trigger pull, where you swear somebody had stuffed some week old sushi into the sear mechanism...

As far a size, yes my hand is flat out too big for a Gen 3 G21. The bottom edge of the slide digs uncomfortably into my 2nd finger, and the top middle of my index finger and the bottom tip of my index finger on the other side both press against the trigger guard fairly firmly, so dragging my finger along is about 30% of the total force of the pull.

[TTS]

I can honestly say this is the first time I have heard someone say the G20/21 grip is too small!

[Mn01r6]

Some people are just better shooters I guess.

[Seismic Sam]

The gun did have finger groove grips, IIRC, and while a normal 1911 (or maybe a G21) with a smooth grip might allow my huge n00b grabbing lunch hooks to flatten out better and have more space, these finger groove grips just squeezed each finger together a bit so they couldn't spread out.

[LarryFlew]

Some people are just better shooters I guess.

BaaaaZingaaaa

[Dakotared]

Get a 38 super barrel for one of your 10mm EAA witness's and get it reamed out. I have the name and number at home that I can PM you when I get home. I too have looked into the 9x25 cause it looks fun!

[ZardozCZ]

What??? It wasn't the rocky gravelly road to Tipperary? It must have been worked on. Some describe triggers as crisp, my G27 gen4 have a crumbly edge that you can't tell when it's going to go.

My G27 (camp gun) trigger grinds its way until it goes bang. It's a relief when it does, it feels like I'm dragging it over gravel and glass on the way. From looking at forums, you either love it cause it's Glock, or you do like Ruger 10/22 fans do and throw out most everything and build it right but not with Glock parts.

I'm going to have the G27 trigger group replaced this week and see if it gets any better. Still, it's for motorcycle camping, getting wet and dirty without worrying about it. It's no joy at the range, but I shoot a box now and then just to help appreciate my other pistols even more.

Lone Wolf barrels help a Glock shoot better, at least as far as I've seen. But the 9mm conversion barrel doesn't eject 100% so it's a toy more than a tool. The G27 has never failed with 1700+ rounds so long as the Lone Wolf 9mm isn't involved. With it I'll get a FTE about every other mag so it for sure isn't for work, just play.

Let us know how your 9x25 project goes.

[Seismic Sam]

Get a 38 super barrel for one of your 10mm EAA witness's and get it reamed out. I have the name and number at home that I can PM you when I get home. I too have looked into the 9x25 cause it looks fun!

Please PM me because I want to follow up on this if you know somebody who bores out chambers!! I have a 10mm Stock with the bull barrel and plenty of metal in it, and I'm sure I can get a 38 Sooper barrel for about $200 or less in the same format, and if I can I'll go for it.

Thank you!!

[Squib Joe]

Get a 38 super barrel for one of your 10mm EAA witness's and get it reamed out. I have the name and number at home that I can PM you when I get home. I too have looked into the 9x25 cause it looks fun!

Probably Gunworks Custom in Ohio - (419) 626-3034

[FJ540]

Today is all kinds of firsts! I actually bought a (gasp) Kimber!

It's a series 70 and has a 8000 serial number though.

[jgalt]

Then I tried pulling the trigger. WTF?? Is this the long road to Tipperary?? You squeeze and squeeze and squeeze and it FINALLY goes click. So serious question for Glock shooters: How do you figure out where the set point is so you can shoot accurately?? I couldn't feel a damn thing until it went click.

Next time you handle a Glock:

- be sure it is unloaded (of course... )
- pull the trigger
- hold the trigger back while racking the slide - this will reset the trigger
- slowly release the trigger until it "clicks"

That is the set point. You can then "fire" it again without any of the ridiculous take-up or slack that the first trigger pull had. I don't know what the poundage of the trigger is at that point, but it isn't a lot & I have no problem firing it accurately repeatedly.

YMMV...

[Dakotared]

Get a 38 super barrel for one of your 10mm EAA witness's and get it reamed out. I have the name and number at home that I can PM you when I get home. I too have looked into the 9x25 cause it looks fun!

Probably Gunworks Custom in Ohio - (419) 626-3034

Nailed it!!!

that is the info I PM'd him

[Tronster]

Next time you handle a Glock:

- be sure it is unloaded (of course... )
- pull the trigger
- hold the trigger back while racking the slide - this will reset the trigger
- slowly release the trigger until it "clicks"

That is the set point. You can then "fire" it again without any of the ridiculous take-up or slack that the first trigger pull had. I don't know what the poundage of the trigger is at that point, but it isn't a lot & I have no problem firing it accurately repeatedly.

YMMV...

This ^^^^^

I learned to shoot pistol on a glock trigger, and so I ride the reset for rapid shooting. Recently I shot a 1911 for the first time, and the light short trigger pull surprised me, but the lack of in-your-face reset really threw me off.

[crbutler]

Pretty much any custom smith can rechamber a 9mm barrel to 9x25.

If you want to do it right, you need a 9mm barrel, not a .38S. (.355 vs .356)

Since you are the noob roaster, whaddya think you are doing making an overbore barrel??? You will blow an eye out or something...

(I have 2 9x25's. They won't let me play with them at any USPSA matches because they hurt the RO's and Roger at Burnsville asked me to not shoot them there after I consistently blew the overhead lights out with the comp.)

[Seismic Sam]

If you want to do it right, you need a 9mm barrel, not a .38S. (.355 vs .356)

Since you are the noob roaster, whaddya think you are doing making an overbore barrel??? You will blow an eye out or something...

(I have 2 9x25's. They won't let me play with them at any USPSA matches because they hurt the RO's and Roger at Burnsville asked me to not shoot them there after I consistently blew the overhead lights out with the comp.)

Well, technically you ARE correct, UNLESS you load the 9x25 Dillon cases with the Winchester 130 grain .356 38 Super bullet!!

In reality, considering the pressures involved, that one mil won't make diddly squat of difference with the hot 9x25 loads because the base of the bullet will upset and seal the bore no matter what, and last I looked the lands on pistol barrels were a touch more than 1/2 mil high per side....

That being said, I DO have an old and cheap ($349 NIB) EAA 10mm that's already Magnaported, so if I get a plain old 9mm or 38 Super Witness barrel, I may be in luck.

BTW: Got any 9x25 loads and chrono data you'd care to share??