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I'm thinking it might be about time to start looking for a 9mm AR, and am looking for advice. I have some things I absolutely want in it. I want the controls to be as close to an ar15 as possible and I want it to be a pistol.
1. It needs to be reliable with FMJ's or HP's.
2. Needs to take factory Glock mags and they need to drop free.
3. Needs to have a last round bolt hold open, that holds open every time.
4. Needs to be able to use a BAD lever for bolt hold open and release.
5. Needs to be able to accept any standard AR15 trigger.
6. "Hoping" to be able to use any AR15 charging handles.

I have no problem either buying it complete, or putting it together. I don't care if it's a dedicated lower or mag well drop in as long as it's reliable.
The ones I'm considering right now are Wilson Combats AR9 and the CMMG Guard with the CMMG edging it out because I've heard great things about their LRBHO and their low recoil. I'm not sure if They both meet my 5 or 6 points though... I've heard the CMMG isn't reliable with all HP's.

Any other suggestions?

Just for my reference, I'm going to post the results of my findings that I received directly from the manufacturers...
Feel free to suggest any other manufacturers for me to check with!


JP - No BAD lever
Wilson Combat - no BAD lever, no standard triggers
NFA - No BAD lever
Karri's - No LRBHO, unreliable w/some HP's
YHM - Yes to all points
QC10 - No BAD lever
PSA - - No LRBHO, iffy on BAD lever and CH.
Angstadt Arms - BAD lever makes LRBHO unreliable
Wolfpack Armory - Side charging only
CMMG Guard - BAD lever not guaranteed to fit in trigger guard
Freedom Ordnance - No BAD levers or standard CH
Lead Star Arms -

My gut would tell me that the PSA glock mag model most would consider not reliable enough for your question. That said, the one I built with their parts has run flawless now for over a 1000 rounds.

Holland&Holland wrote:My gut would tell me that the PSA glock mag model most would consider not reliable enough for your question. That said, the one I built with their parts has run flawless now for over a 1000 rounds.

No LRBHO on PSA models I hear.

That's a deal breaker for me.

Scratch wrote:

Holland&Holland wrote:My gut would tell me that the PSA glock mag model most would consider not reliable enough for your question. That said, the one I built with their parts has run flawless now for over a 1000 rounds.

No LRBHO on PSA models I hear.

That's a deal breaker for me.

Yea, that is correct I believe.

I know you are going the pistol route but I went ahead and SBRed it. A ton of fun to shoot. Might be one of my funnest shooters that I have to be honest. And in 9mm, does not break the bank.

Just get a JP.

usnret wrote:Just get a JP.

If one wants a serious piece of hardware guaranteed to run, then this would not be a bad way to go. $$$$ though

usnret wrote:Just get a JP.

From what I could tell, they don't offer it in a pistol, and you can't use a BAD lever.

Scratch wrote:

usnret wrote:Just get a JP.

From what I could tell, they don't offer it in a pistol, and you can't use a BAD lever.

They do offer it in a pistol. Not sure about a BAD lever

Holland&Holland wrote:

Scratch wrote:

usnret wrote:Just get a JP.

From what I could tell, they don't offer it in a pistol, and you can't use a BAD lever.

They do offer it in a pistol. Not sure about a BAD lever

Didn't see in on their website, but I contacted them and they said no to the Bad lever.

Scratch wrote:Didn't see in on their website, but I contacted them and they said no to the Bad lever.

Just for my reference, I'm going to post the results of my findings...

JP
Wilson Combat
NFA
Karri's
YHM

Look under AR pistol. They offer it in .223, 9mm, and .300 BO

Too bad on the BAD

How about the cmmg mk9t?

Ghost wrote:How about the cmmg mk9t?

The MK9 series uses Colt mags. I want Glock mags. The CMMG Guard is their Glock mag version. I'm checking on them to see if they make my needs list...

Scratch wrote:

Ghost wrote:How about the cmmg mk9t?

The MK9 series uses Colt mags. I want Glock mags. The CMMG Guard is their Glock mag version. I'm checking on them to see if they make my needs list...

Oops, thought they were Glock. Sorry

Curious, what is the cost difference between them?

There was a forum chatting about modifying a psa for bho but i don’t think they perfected it yet. I’ll have to dig that up.