Hollow-Point Question

[mnglocker]

Take a look at Federal HST. I love the stuff. Reliable, consistant, symmetrical and predictible expansion, and I haven't heard of a firearm yet that won't cycle it reliably. Best of all it's cheaper than most. Streichers has it for around $25 a box of 50 last I checked.

surprised you didn't recommend 1000 round before declaring it as a carry piece

I figured that would go without saying.

This, right here is a great answer. (It's what I was goign to say without the blathering oral orgasm over it)

hammSter has a good point too. Federal EFMJ's will cycle in every ting under the sun and they always expand.

[cobb]

Screw hollow-points..............
Federal EFMJ or even plain ball WILL cease hostilities by any BG(s)...........
you don't have to worry about glass, clothing, materials, and barriers screwing up THE shot............

Your are really demonstrating your age. I suppose they have to be fired out a 1911 also, a FMJ or ball will not have the same effect out of a Glock?
I have to admit, I have zero experience with the EFMJ's. I know it was one way to carry an ammunition that would expand in cities that banned the evil hollow points.

.....and if you are not exercising yourself, your weapon, and munitions at least weekly.......well, it's your life......

We're good on this one.
But I would be happy if most did it a couple times a month.

[JFettig]

Whoever is claiming that the EFMJ bullets do all these things, please show me any evidence that you have.
I am EXTREMELY skeptical of this. I've fired EFMJ into gel and it wasn't very impressive. I've also run HSTs through the FBI protocol - through auto glass and steel they still outperform EFMJ in bare gel.


Jon

[hammAR]

Your are really demonstrating your age. I suppose they have to be fired out a 1911 also, a FMJ or ball will not have the same effect out of a Glock?
I have to admit, I have zero experience with the EFMJ's. I know it was one way to carry an ammunition that would expand in cities that banned the evil hollow points.

.....and if you are not exercising yourself, your weapon, and munitions at least weekly.......well, it's your life......

We're good on this one.
But I would be happy if most did it a couple times a month.

....I did not specify Caliber nor Weapon intentionally........
and yes, I may be showing my age, but I will personally attest to the effectiveness of ball ammo, otherwise I would not be writing this..........

[hammAR]

Whoever is claiming that the EFMJ bullets do all these things, please show me any evidence that you have.
I am EXTREMELY skeptical of this. I've fired EFMJ into gel and it wasn't very impressive. I've also run HSTs through the FBI protocol - through auto glass and steel they still outperform EFMJ in bare gel.

It's not whoever, it is me........

I am not a ballistic tester (except for delivery and that is not testing), nor an expert, nor Seismic Sam...........
so I will not get into a theoretical argument or discussion regarding this, I will leave that for others that have all day to do so................

I do know, both from reading and practical experience (not theoretical), that for example the current standard FBI sidearms are the Glock 22 or 23's. Although, you will still find agents carrying issue SIG 228's and even a few 226's in 9mm, and there are still plenty of guys carrying previously approved SIG 229's, Glock 21's, 17/19's, and 26/27's......but then

SWAT and HRT trained agents are issued Springfield TRP-PRO 1911's in .45.

So what does that tell you..............they change their minds a lot..........

Although Winchester got the contract for .40 ammo, there is still a lot of service ammo from previous contracts for 9mm, 40, 45, and 10mm. However, currently they are issuing Speer Gold Dot ammo, but they still issue boxes of Remington Golden Saber .45, Federal Hydra-shok .4.....but then again

SWAT and HRT trained agents are issued Federal EFMJ in .45.

So what does that tell you..............they change their minds a lot..........

If you want tests look at The Box of Truth because I am not going to find all of the FBI ballistics tests (they change their minds a lot), I just know what I know, and believe what is real in practice and not theory....I don't use jello (strawberry, banana, or otherwise)..........

real world is what I have seen and experienced, and based on that I would personally want the SWAT and HRT guys with their 1911, .45, EFMJ's coming to help me.............you don't think that there is a reason that their best use this equipment.....

[goalie]

In the end, hollowpoint or ball, you're still shooting it out of a handgun.....

[mnglocker]

In the end, hollowpoint or ball, you're still shooting it out of a handgun.....

Exactly. Shoot what runs well, and what you shoot well. That or get an AOW shotty with a 12" barrel, single point sling and a pistol grip.

[hammAR]

I could, but I won't.........................

[El Bandito Blanquito]

You guys are the best. I will put some defense rounds through it and see how it feels... I finally got my carry permit in the mail, so now is the time to start squaring myself away.

[xracer390]

They'll feed. I would shoot a magazine full (10) just to see where they hit the paper, as stated in the previous post.

I wouldnt bet on that one. Feed great in my Ruger and shoots the same but wont feed worth a sh*t in my High Point ( I know, I know, its a high point ) and that has never misfed any other ammo. Single shot with the High Point the hollow points shot pretty much the same also.

[Rem700]

Not very scientific.
Quite awhile back I shot 10rds of 9mm EFMJ into wet news print and only about 50% percent expanded the other 50% acted like ball these where fired from a 4"" M&P at about 10ft.
At the same time I tried the same thing with 45acp EFMJ fired from a 4" 1911 and 100% expanded.
The EFMJ functioned reliably in both cases in excess of a 100rds each.

[cobb]

Quite awhile back I shot 10rds of 9mm EFMJ into wet news print and only about 50% percent expanded the other 50% acted like ball these where fired from a 4"" M&P at about 10ft.
At the same time I tried the same thing with 45acp EFMJ fired from a 4" 1911 and 100% expanded.

50% not expanding, I assume you mean not expanding at all, seems strange. So why do you think the 9mm had a problem and the 45 acp did not? Maybe 1 out of 10 not expanding would still make me wonder, but half of them....

[Rem700]

Quite awhile back I shot 10rds of 9mm EFMJ into wet news print and only about 50% percent expanded the other 50% acted like ball these where fired from a 4"" M&P at about 10ft.
At the same time I tried the same thing with 45acp EFMJ fired from a 4" 1911 and 100% expanded.

50% not expanding, I assume you mean not expanding at all, seems strange. So why do you think the 9mm had a problem and the 45 acp did not? Maybe 1 out of 10 not expanding would still make me wonder, but half of them....

50% or one half of the the 9mm didnt expand at all. Dont remember where somewhere on the internet about the same time I recall reading of similar experiences with the 9mm EFMJ. I havnt a clue to why the 9mm didnt expand reliably like the 45acp or if the 9mm bullet was ever redesigned. I might have some of the 9mm around dont know if I every shot it all or if its setting on a shelf somwhere.