death by firing squad in utah

[goalie]

All but one of the shooters was given a gun with a live cartridge. One shooter got a blank cartridge.
The theory was that nobody knew for sure if he fired a killing shot or just a blank.

How many adults in Utah won't know the difference between a blank and a bullet? Recoil (or complete lack thereof) might be a clue. Nevertheless, I'd do it for a Marlin 336 but not for a Winchester 94.

Well, you have to remember it was a pre-64 Winchester! Pretty valuable these days!

You do realize that the "pre-64" thing refers to the bolt-action Model 70, otherwise known as the "rifleman's rifle," right????

I don't think there is a whole lot of value difference between a Model 1894 made in 1964 and 1963.....

[Ramoel]

I have both pre and post '64 mod 94's and there are significant differences. Try pricing a good one, it won't be cheap.
I also have a pre-64 model 70 I bought new and still have in mint shape. The model 70 wasn't the only rifle made cheaper in 1964.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/win_pre_64_M94.htm

[goalie]

I have both pre and post '64 mod 94's and there are significant differences. Try pricing a good one, it won't be cheap.
I also have a pre-64 model 70 I bought new and still have in mint shape. The model 70 wasn't the only rifle made cheaper in 1964.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/win_pre_64_M94.htm

Thanks for the info. I was unaware that my '94 from 1907 was significantly different than the ones made in 1965 or so...



I still like my Marlin lever guns better though.

[Ramoel]

I have both pre and post '64 mod 94's and there are significant differences. Try pricing a good one, it won't be cheap.
I also have a pre-64 model 70 I bought new and still have in mint shape. The model 70 wasn't the only rifle made cheaper in 1964.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/win_pre_64_M94.htm

Thanks for the info. I was unaware that my '94 from 1907 was significantly different than the ones made in 1965 or so...



I still like my Marlin lever guns better though.

Marlin didn't make any really big changes to lower the price like Winchester did. If your '07 Winchester is in good shape, I'll swap you a new stainless Marlin .44 mag lever for it! I'll even include scope bases and a receiver sight.

[goalie]

Marlin didn't make any really big changes to lower the price like Winchester did. If your '07 Winchester is in good shape, I'll swap you a new stainless Marlin .44 mag lever for it! I'll even include scope bases and a receiver sight.

I'm pretty sure that my great-grandfather's saddle ring carbine is staying right where it is.

[justaguy]

This ended well....

[1911fan]

Without sidetracking or drifting toooooo much, ALL winchesters underwent product "enhancements" in 1964, from the cheapest .22 to the highest grade model 21. The big differences in the 94's was the steel the receivers were made from, it was the beginning of programmed machining with higher rates of feed and less finishing, and the new steel just would not take blue worth a crap. Thus many were sorta plated, sorta blued, and it was a horrible product. The new steel however, allowed the new machines to run much faster, and produced a better surface finish right off the machines, saving money both on time spent on the machines, and time spent having people run the receivers thru the buffers.

Also work was done to simplify the action and some parts that had been two were combined, hence the tip off missing screw on the action toggle plate, or that piece on the bottom of the action on which the lever pivots and it self pivots at the front of the action. if you flip the rifle over and look at the bottom, if there is a screw on the lever plate, then its either a pre 64 or a "classic" which was the reintroduced original design, albeit with that abortion of a cross bolt safety. If it does not have that little screw, its a "post 64" and really only good for a tomato stake.

[jmw55018]

wow ive got one pretty good shootin tomato stake then