WCCO Reports Rosenberg Arrested

[1911fan]

Seriously? Don't most guys just get a sports car if they have one of those mid life crises? Ok, he couldn't afford one. Well, what about the hot 20 year old chick? Ok, I see that wasn't going to happen either. I guess there was no other way. It's just unfortunate.

His wife carries, so the hot chick would be suicide by wife........

[R.E.T.]

I believe several people here on the board were aware that he was carrying a camera and looking for a confrontation prior to this.

[archerychamp]

In all seriousness, I hope they perform a psychiatric evaluation on him while he is in custody or before his trial. It seems that something is wrong with him mentally.

Does he pose a threat to himself or others? It certainly seems so.

At this point, I'm starting to feel a little bad for him. Not to excuse the things he's said and done and not because he's in trouble with the law! It has been apparent that he is mentally ill and as I've just watched what is going on with him in the past two years from the sidelines, the man needs help. Downward spiral is right.

[gyrfalcon]

I believe several people here on the board were aware that he was carrying a camera and looking for a confrontation prior to this.

From what I understand Joel had been pretty proactive in the investigation of the Minnesota Gang task-force and other MPD personal. From what I understand he has attended public hearings and written politicians concerning that scandal. It would be foolish to believe he hasn't made some substantial enemies in this endeavor who are looking for revenge.

While I don't agree with his behavior/attitude/style/actions, I certainly don't agree with the charges that have been leveled against him.

[WWJD]

Pass the Cool Aid when your done there!!

[gyrfalcon]

Does he pose a threat to himself or others? It certainly seems so...It has been apparent that he is mentally ill and as I've just watched what is going on with him in the past two years from the sidelines, the man needs help. Downward spiral is right.

There are quite a few levels between being mentally ill, and behaving badly, or acting differently than you had in the past. Some folks who used to be nice might turn into complete tools or jerks over a period of time because of a personality trait. How do you think he has presented himself as a threat to others?

[WWJD]

Does he pose a threat to himself or others? It certainly seems so...It has been apparent that he is mentally ill and as I've just watched what is going on with him in the past two years from the sidelines, the man needs help. Downward spiral is right.

There are quite a few levels between being mentally ill, and behaving badly, or acting differently than you had in the past. Some folks who used to be nice might turn into complete tools or jerks over a period of time because of a personality trait. How do you think he has presented himself as a threat to others?

cool aid .........

read your history, or just do a SEARCH on the different forums........very revealing, if you want to learn!

[archerychamp]

How do you think he has presented himself as a threat to others?

Oh God. If you haven't kept up on all the harrassment JR has dished-out over the past couple years and the trail of odd behavior, stunts, and writings that he has done, you are either blind or delusional yourself.

Do you think words are harmless or can they pose a threat?

[WWJD]

How do you think he has presented himself as a threat to others?

Oh God. If you haven't kept up on all the harrassment JR has dished-out over the past couple years and the trail of odd behavior, stunts, and writings that he has done, you are either blind or delusional yourself.

Do you think words are harmless or can they pose a threat?

WOW!!

Kin awesome!!

[gyrfalcon]

Do you think words are harmless or can they pose a threat?

Words are just information, and are harmless in and of themselves... but legally any words that "the actor knows or has reason to know would cause the victim under the circumstances to feel frightened, threatened, oppressed, persecuted, or intimidated" could be considered stalking and prosecuted under Minnesota statues:

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=609.749

If he has been truly harassing someone they have the option to get a restraining order:

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=609.748

http://www.mncourts.gov/default.aspx?pa ... ketDetails

[goalie]

Do you think words are harmless or can they pose a threat?

Words are just information, and are harmless in and of themselves... but legally any words that "the actor knows or has reason to know would cause the victim under the circumstances to feel frightened, threatened, oppressed, persecuted, or intimidated" could be considered stalking and prosecuted under Minnesota statues:

If he has been truly harassing someone they have the option to get a restraining order:

Have you read his open letter?

Follow up, if you did read the letter: Is posting that letter something you approve of? Or, to ask a different way, had you been asked prior to it being posted, would you have thought that the posting of said letter on the internet was a good idea?

Simple yes or no answers are fine.

[jweiss]

IMHO this whole thing stinks from both sides and I'm only going by what I've read and seen on the links posted here don't know much about JR seems just atad weird to me but then again there are more than a few weird people running around this state (some with carry permits) all I'll say is good luck! I do not agree with his open letter,if that was pointed at me I'd mad as hell.

[xd ED]

Do you think words are harmless or can they pose a threat?

Words are just information, and are harmless in and of themselves... but legally any words that "the actor knows or has reason to know would cause the victim under the circumstances to feel frightened, threatened, oppressed, persecuted, or intimidated" could be considered stalking and prosecuted under Minnesota statues:

If he has been truly harassing someone they have the option to get a restraining order:

Have you read his open letter?

Follow up, if you did read the letter: Is posting that letter something you approve of? Or, to ask a different way, had you been asked prior to it being posted, would you have thought that the posting of said letter on the internet was a good idea?

Simple yes or no answers are fine.

Not to speak for gyrfalcon, but I think the question is one of behavior that is in violation of the law vs violation of civility or poor taste(to put it mildly).

Speaking for myself:
Yes. I did read his letter. As well as some of the other web sites' BS
No. Posting that letter, or the parodies would not be something I would do, approve of, or recommend anyone do in any imaginable circumstance.

That said : Was the letter, or anything else in violation of law, or does it meet a standard to indicate a threat to himself or others? I cannot answer that. If the letter did violate the law, if JoelR threatened someone: charge him to fullest extent possible, with the correct charges, in a timely manner.
And if he is a threat, based on the police station incident, or the letter, then why the delay in charging him with a different crime.

It is quite a different thing to attempt to monitor, and advocate the legal process taking it's course vs wishing the process divert from course to exact popular vengeance.

Personally, I have never met JoelR, I have only once briefly communicated directly with him(email declining a get-together lunch invitation), and until the police station video was published, I was mostly unaware of his background and didn't know he had a 'history'.

I doubt I'd choose him as a friend, nor would I wish to spend time with him, as he now appears to exist. I do believe, from what I've recently read, he is, as others have said, on a downward spiral. That said, he still has rights until they are legally denied him.

In a related note, about 3 weeks ago, when state Rep. Tom Hackbarth was found with '"a fully loaded gun" at Planned Parenthood, the police, the media, and much of the populous were pretty sure they had (pick one or more): a stalker, a terrorist, an anti-abortion terrorist, a nut- with a gun; on their hands. The disposition of that case is now: 'nevermind'.

I believe the general point being made is that the process cannot be overlooked just because someone has gone out of his way (quite successfully) to be a PIA.

[goalie]

Not to speak for gyrfalcon, but I think the question is one of behavior that is in violation of the law vs violation of civility or poor taste(to put it mildly).

Speaking for myself:
Yes. I did read his letter. As well as some of the other web sites' BS
No. Posting that letter, or the parodies would not be something I would do, approve of, or recommend anyone do in any imaginable circumstance.

That said : Was the letter, or anything else in violation of law, or does it meet a standard to indicate a threat to himself or others? I cannot answer that. If the letter did violate the law, if JoelR threatened someone: charge him to fullest extent possible, with the correct charges, in a timely manner.
And if he is a threat, based on the police station incident, or the letter, then why the delay in charging him with a different crime.

It is quite a different thing to attempt to monitor, and advocate the legal process taking it's course vs wishing the process divert from course to exact popular vengeance.

Personally, I have never met JoelR, I have only once briefly communicated directly with him(email declining a get-together lunch invitation), and until the police station video was published, I was mostly unaware of his background and didn't know he had a 'history'.

I doubt I'd choose him as a friend, nor would I wish to spend time with him, as he now appears to exist. I do believe, from what I've recently read, he is, as others have said, on a downward spiral. That said, he still has rights until they are legally denied him.

In a related note, about 3 weeks ago, when state Rep. Tom Hackbarth was found with '"a fully loaded gun" at Planned Parenthood, the police, the media, and much of the populous were pretty sure they had (pick one or more): a stalker, a terrorist, an anti-abortion terrorist, a nut- with a gun; on their hands. The disposition of that case is now: 'nevermind'.

I believe the general point being made is that the process cannot be overlooked just because someone has gone out of his way (quite successfully) to be a PIA.

wow, a well reasoned response.

I am sincerely impressed, as my thoughts mirror yours for the most part. I am really tired of people like Brit rejoicing in the guy's downward spiral, AND the unwillingness of some supporters to acknowledge that JR's actions are not really something to be supportive of at this time.

[gyrfalcon]

Have you read his open letter? -- Yes
Follow up, if you did read the letter: Is posting that letter something you approve of? -- No
Or, to ask a different way, had you been asked prior to it being posted, would you have thought that the posting of said letter on the internet was a good idea? -- No
Simple yes or no answers are fine. -- Would you like to be shot in the foot and do you care if I take all your money and guns?