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Military pay held hostage!

Postby John S. on Fri Apr 08, 2011 4:43 pm

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Today the White House con­firmed their intent to stop mil­i­tary pay if the bud­get impasse is not set­tled by April 8. So again, one has to ask, why are they so will­ing to dan­gle that threat, espe­cially while our troops are in com­bat. It seems the best answer is the sim­plest answer – the admin­is­tra­tion is hold­ing mil­i­tary pay hostage in an attempt to force con­gress to pass the FY 2011 bud­get.
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Re: Military pay held hostage!

Postby farmerj on Fri Apr 08, 2011 4:47 pm

and this would surprise you why with this president? I am surprised he didn't do it earlier.
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Re: Military pay held hostage!

Postby Dick Unger on Fri Apr 08, 2011 5:21 pm

I'm not sure it is Obama's decision. Congress has to appropriate the money. If they do, the military will be paid. That's Republicans, who are using the buget as a ploy to get all kind of extreme social issues passed.
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Re: Military pay held hostage!

Postby hammAR on Fri Apr 08, 2011 5:21 pm

Yea, and how would you like to be deployed right now.............No Death Benefits for Military During Shutdown
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Re: Military pay held hostage!

Postby rtk on Fri Apr 08, 2011 5:26 pm

Dick Unger wrote:I'm not sure it is Obama's decision. Congress has to appropriate the money. If they do, the military will be paid. That's Republicans, who are using the buget as a ploy to get all kind of extreme social issues passed.



the White House con­firmed their intent to stop mil­i­tary pay if the bud­get impasse is not set­tled by April 8

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Re: Military pay held hostage!

Postby hammAR on Fri Apr 08, 2011 5:28 pm

The same guy that is going on vacation this weekend............ :roll:
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Re: Military pay held hostage!

Postby nyffman on Fri Apr 08, 2011 6:24 pm

Dick Unger wrote:I'm not sure it is Obama's decision. Congress has to appropriate the money. If they do, the military will be paid. That's Republicans, who are using the buget as a ploy to get all kind of extreme social issues passed.

Whatever. :roll: We're in this pickle because the Democrats played politics before the election and took care of their extreme social issues rather than bother to pass a budget.
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Re: Military pay held hostage!

Postby usnret on Fri Apr 08, 2011 6:55 pm

And we all know who is still getting a paycheck if (when)the Government shuts down. Our favorite prez and his merry band of robbers.
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Re: Military pay held hostage!

Postby redaudi on Fri Apr 08, 2011 11:28 pm

i had drill cancelled tomorrow, and it will likely be cancelled sunday as well...



gotta say, i wonder where certain peo(bama)ple's priorities are, when he launches a hugely expensive re election campain, has vacation, and generally goes prancing about doing **** all whatever, when the country needs SOME sort of direction, RIGHT NOW.

clearly he doesn't particularly care.

I wonder how many military families are going to get screwed. because god knows, with that death benefit gone, the families are going to have it rough when the likely (but GOD i hope not) deaths in afghanistan happen while our government has it's head up it's own fourth point of contact.



i am so frustrated with all of this it's insane.
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Re: Military pay held hostage!

Postby infidel on Fri Apr 08, 2011 11:46 pm

Dick Unger wrote:I'm not sure it is Obama's decision. Congress has to appropriate the money. If they do, the military will be paid. That's Republicans, who are using the buget as a ploy to get all kind of extreme social issues passed.


How quickly we forget this budget was supposed to be passed last October. Lets think back before the election.....supermajority in both houses and a executive branch controlled by the same party. Keep thinking those evil republicans are responsible.
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Re: Military pay held hostage!

Postby JeremiahMN on Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:47 am

infidel wrote:
Dick Unger wrote:I'm not sure it is Obama's decision. Congress has to appropriate the money. If they do, the military will be paid. That's Republicans, who are using the buget as a ploy to get all kind of extreme social issues passed.


How quickly we forget this budget was supposed to be passed last October. Lets think back before the election.....supermajority in both houses and a executive branch controlled by the same party. Keep thinking those evil republicans are responsible.
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And those tea/repub party members in the congress were so willing to "negotiate" in good faith the last couple years too. LMAO!!! They've done anything they can to obstruct and make Obama look bad. The tea/repub party cares about one thing, and one thing only! It's not jobs, it's not the economy, it's simply to defeat Obama in the next election. Who cares about the troops pay, who cares about unemployment, who cares about our infrastructure, who cares about our environment, who cares about the American people. As long as we beat Obama in the next election, that's all that matters to them. That is their number one priority.

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Re: Military pay held hostage!

Postby infidel on Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:45 am

JeremiahMN wrote:
infidel wrote:
Dick Unger wrote:I'm not sure it is Obama's decision. Congress has to appropriate the money. If they do, the military will be paid. That's Republicans, who are using the buget as a ploy to get all kind of extreme social issues passed.


How quickly we forget this budget was supposed to be passed last October. Lets think back before the election.....supermajority in both houses and a executive branch controlled by the same party. Keep thinking those evil republicans are responsible.
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And those tea/repub party members in the congress were so willing to "negotiate" in good faith the last couple years too. LMAO!!! They've done anything they can to obstruct and make Obama look bad. The tea/repub party cares about one thing, and one thing only! It's not jobs, it's not the economy, it's simply to defeat Obama in the next election. Who cares about the troops pay, who cares about unemployment, who cares about our infrastructure, who cares about our environment, who cares about the American people. As long as we beat Obama in the next election, that's all that matters to them. That is their number one priority.

"The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president." - Mitch McConnell


And those tea/repub party members in the congress were so willing to "negotiate" in good faith the last couple years too. But since the Democrats had majority control the Democrats did not negotiate, or even include the opposition in debate. The tea/repub party cares about one thing, and one thing only! It's not jobs, it's not the economy, it's simply to defeat Obama in the next election. You lump the opposition together as if they are the same. However you are wrong on all three counts. Who cares about the troops pay, who cares about unemployment, who cares about our infrastructure, who cares about our environment, who cares about the American people. You are still forgetting this budget was supposed to be passed by congress last year, but the controlling party decided to punt and play politics.

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Re: Military pay held hostage!

Postby mnglocker on Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:48 am

*resident Obama decided after a long hard week walking all over the golf course that he and Harry Reid needed a vacation, so he gets aboard Air Force 1 with Sen.Reid and they take off to South Florida for a week in the sun. Along the way Air Force 1 encounters a thunder storm and goes down. No one made it out of the hatch with a parachute.

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Re: Military pay held hostage!

Postby nyffman on Sat Apr 09, 2011 1:07 pm

JeremiahMN wrote:
And those tea/repub party members in the congress were so willing to "negotiate" in good faith the last couple years too. LMAO!!! They've done anything they can to obstruct and make Obama look bad.

Oh? I guess you forgot that there was no Tea Party until the The socialists in the Democrat party took control of all three branches of govt. Well, Chuck Schumer's three branches anyway. So, there were no Tea Party members elected to Congress till 2010. And it's still arguable that there is no such thing as a formal Tea Party, yet. But you may argue that there are no socialists in govt. either.
JeremiahMN wrote:The tea/repub party cares about one thing, and one thing only! It's not jobs, it's not the economy, it's simply to defeat Obama in the next election. Who cares about the troops pay, who cares about unemployment, who cares about our infrastructure, who cares about our environment, who cares about the American people. As long as we beat Obama in the next election, that's all that matters to them. That is their number one priority.

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I think you're on to something with this one. Actually, the constitution does not give authority to Congress for any of those, other than raising funds necessary for maintaining a standing army for defense of the nation? If you have studied any US history, you should know that the govt was not always so large and intrusive. So, if McConnell and others in the Republican party think that Obama's policies are harmful to the longterm welfare of the country, yes, it is a valid reason to work for his failure in those policies and his removal from office.
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Re: Military pay held hostage!

Postby JeremiahMN on Sat Apr 09, 2011 1:41 pm

@infidel, with respect, you are either seriously misinformed, or seriously disingenuous to suggest that the democrats did not let the tea/repub party into negotiations or somehow the repubs have been negotiating in good faith. The tea/repub party has been the party of no, and done nothing but delay and obstruct since Obama has been in office. Don't get me wrong, I'm no Obama apologist, I think he's just as much of a warmongering, corporate owned political fraud as the rest of them. However that doesn't mean everything is his fault, or that somehow the tea/repub party has tried to work in good faith to resolve the issues at hand.

As far as lumping the opposition in together, I don't lump all opposition together. For example, I'm opposed to most of Obama's agenda, but that doesn't mean I'm anywhere close to the tea/repub party train of thought. However, I don't see any difference between the term tea party or republican party, they are interchangeable and therefore deserve to be lumped together.

I will agree 100% that the dems should have had the budget done before this. They should have told the ass hats on the other side of the isle to either shut up and go wait in the car, or made them actually get up there and filibuster something nonstop so the country could see just what kind of clowns they really are. Instead the dems wasted months and months trying to negotiate with people that had no intentions of letting anything move forward.


nyffman wrote:I think you're on to something with this one. Actually, the constitution does not give authority to Congress for any of those, other than raising funds necessary for maintaining a standing army for defense of the nation? If you have studied any US history, you should know that the govt was not always so large and intrusive. So, if McConnell and others in the Republican party think that Obama's policies are harmful to the longterm welfare of the country, yes, it is a valid reason to work for his failure in those policies and his removal from office.


I agree 100%, if they feel that Obama's policies are destroying America so badly, that their best course of action is to focus on getting him out of office by any means necessary. When Boehner is up there at his press conferences he shouldn't be talking about "You know we're trying really hard to come to an agreement" He should come out and tell it like it is. "We're going to oppose anything these guys want to do. If they agree to the cuts we demanded, we'll demand some more so the budget won't pass and Obama will fail". They did this on health care, taxes, this budget, etc... etc...
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