124 grain XTP Recipes

[mkoda]

Got a Cx4 last year, decided to get the dies and cook up a nice SD load for the gun.

[Seismic Sam]

Quit fishing for free advice and just buy the Hornady #8 manual and be done with it.

In addition, you can ignite one hell of a firestorm of a debate on this forum as far as what the DA might say to the jury if you actually shoot somebody with handloaded ammo, along the lines of you meant to kill him "more" with your handloads than factory SD ammo. People keep bringing this up, but to date no predicate court case has ever been found where this happened, so it's my private opinion that this is BS, but that's only me. Any prudent shooter will stay within the max loads for that bullet in Hornady #8, and do you really want to be getting "recipes" for loads that are outside Hornady's own limits on the internet?? The Hornady manual will even tell you the best powder(s) to use, which in this case are AA#7 and Power Pistol, in that order. Max velocity for a 124 XTP with AA#7 is 1150.

Just imagine yourself in court, being asked what loads you used, and saying either:

1. I used loads that were in a reloading manual for that specific bullet by the bullet manufacturer, which are probably equivalent to their own factory ammo,

OR:

2. Uhhh, I used some recipe I got off the internet....

The jury will NOT be impressed with answer #2 at all!! Think about it!!

Oh, no chrono, no tickee, no washee!! Hey Joe, you got chrono?? I clock your bullets long time!!

[gyrfalcon]

... as far as what the DA might say to the jury if you actually shoot somebody with handloaded ammo, along the lines of you meant to kill him "more" with your handloads than factory SD ammo. People keep bringing this up, but to date no predicate court case has ever been found where this happened, so it's my private opinion that this is BS, but that's only me. ...

Does anyone know if a black powder revolver has been used in a self-defense situation in modern times? Most of the arguments I've seen are more along the lines that if you're using hand-loads proving trajectories and ballistics becomes an issue in the courtroom.

[mkoda]

I have the Hornady manual, I know some folks have their own wicked concoctions is all. I also use Power Pistol, just wondering if anyone had a favorite load for carbines is all.

[gyrfalcon]

I have the Hornady manual, I know some folks have their own wicked concoctions is all. I also use Power Pistol, just wondering if anyone had a favorite load for carbines is all.

Bluedot

[Seismic Sam]

I have the Hornady manual, I know some folks have their own wicked concoctions is all. I also use Power Pistol, just wondering if anyone had a favorite load for carbines is all.

My apologies, but I confused your Cx4 carbine with the Beretta Px4 C series pistol! Yes, there is a reloader here who shoots 9mm at Major Power Factor, which qualifies as a wicked concoction for most of us. His name is Tim Warner, and you can PM him to see if he'll share his recipes. Unfortunately, with a carbine length barrel, not sure how this will work out. Might get some velocity increase with a slow burning powder, but it's hard to say how much. The 9mm cartridge is quite small, so you don't have a lot of volume to work with, which is going to be a problem. Unfortunately, there is NO handloading data that I know of for 9mm Submachine Guns, which is what you'd really want. If you're going to do this, I'd reccomend that you buy some +P+ brass to start with, and even then you are probably going to have to throw the brass away after one shot. That's what Tim has to do with his normal 9mm brass.

You could try checking around the single shot pistol (mostly TC) data on shooting ammo from a 15" Contender barrel, but I don't recall ever seeing data for a 9mm in that section. It's just too puny a cartridge to bother with when you can shoot some smoking hot caliber like the 357 Remington Maximum, which is a considerably lengthened 357 mag case. I think with a carbine barrel you're going to be deep in dark territory on trying to figure out a good 9mm load for that gun. Good luck, and stay safe!

[Seismic Sam]

Yup, I was right. Checked all my manuals with seperate TC load sections, and the only ones you see are 357 mag and 44 mag in pistol calibers, apart from some of the bigger stuff.

[rockcreek]

+1 on Blue Dot. You will be surprised by the velocity you can get with it out of a carbine barrel.

[mkoda]

Thanks for the advice, I happen to know a guy who has some bluedot, I'll look up loads and see what I can get out of it. Thanks again.

[Seismic Sam]

Yeah, about 30 years ago I got some Winchester Power Point bullets, and IIRC, I used Blue Dot to cook up some max loads according to the manual. Shot at a steel 5 gallon pail of water one day, and hit it dead center, and the shock of impact was enough to knock the full pail over, AND leave an exit hole on the far side of the pail. I was impressed. And all I had back then was my little 9mm Browning Hi-Power...