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Re: obama wants assault weapon ban

Postby rugersol on Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:33 am

photogpat wrote:1 million new gun owners by the election!

Let's hope they can figure out who to vote for! :|
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Re: obama wants assault weapon ban

Postby Holland&Holland on Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:37 am

Heffay wrote:
Halfchrome wrote:I was just reading the latest 1st freedom magazine. It would appear his assault weapon ban could include all semi auto rifes, pistols and even shotguns as well as all 12 gauge shotguns and all handguns that have a capacity of more than 5 rounds or detachable magazines.


Source?


To be fair Heffay he did state "latest issue of 1st freedon magazine" which would be the source. Now one could argue that that source is a poor choice, is opinion only, or is written by crack heads, but it is a source.
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Re: obama wants assault weapon ban

Postby Heffay on Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:47 am

Holland&Holland wrote: Now one could argue that that source is a poor choice, is opinion only, or is written by crack heads, but it is a source.


"Or"? ;-)
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Re: obama wants assault weapon ban

Postby Holland&Holland on Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:49 am

Heffay wrote:
Holland&Holland wrote: Now one could argue that that source is a poor choice, is opinion only, or is written by crack heads, but it is a source.


"Or"? ;-)


Or all of the above...
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Re: obama wants assault weapon ban

Postby plblark on Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:32 pm

Dick Unger wrote:Well, we really don't have an acceptable gun candidate. Mitt will call an "assault weapons ban" something else when it comes up.

http://www.pagunblog.com/2012/10/17/the-romney-assault-weapons-ban-that-wasnt/

In 2004 that anti-gun leaders of the Massachusetts Legislature started to raise false concerns about needing to make Massachusetts’s assault weapons ban permanent, given that the federal ban was about to expire. This was never true, but presented an excuse to convince other legislators to revisit, and simultaneously greatly expand the definition of what an assault weapon is in Massachusetts, making the ban cover far more firearms. They went ahead and drafted a bill. Fortunately for gun owners in Massachusetts, GOAL was able to essentially gut the bill, and preserve the existing language in the definition, which included the federal list of exempted firearms. In addition they got a number of other easements to the bill which are detailed in their press release speaking about Romney’s record on guns. The anti-gun sponsors of the original bill were not pleased, but the rest of the Massachusetts Legislature went along with the GOAL plan of preserving the existing definition in the law, and slipping in some easements through under the radar. This wasn’t about making the ban permanent. Massachusetts Law would have still made assault weapons illegal, just with a far more nebulous definition of what exactly an assault weapon is.
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No one, not reporters, anti-gun folks, or angry citizens, bothered to read the actual law. While it takes some work to follow, but it’s pretty easy to see the effect of the first three sections of the law, if you look at the statute it is modifying, by inserting a concrete reference to the federal law with the addition of a date. The rest you need a deeper understanding of Massachusetts gun law to follow, but the “assault weapons” parts aren’t hard.

So Romney has never signed a gun ban, and anyone who suggests he has is missing the facts.


Now where else have I heard of the tactic of taking an opposition bill, gutting it, and using the opportunity to get in some stealth easements of gun rights? ;-)
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Re: obama wants assault weapon ban

Postby EJSG19 on Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:47 pm

plblark wrote:Thank you, Mr. President. you just made ALL the down ticket races MUCH more important ;-)

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Re: obama wants assault weapon ban

Postby Nougat on Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:54 pm

Into this on another forum where someone is all ooh assault scary. Whats the point the only difference I see in assault rifles is aesthetics. It doesn't make it any easier to kill more people because you have detachable mags a Telescoping stock, Pistol grip, Bayonet mount, Grenade launcher, and a Flash suppressor. Well the bayonet and grenades might add a few but really I see it as appearance. Instead of drumming up sales and inflating prices why not try some more focus on task groups to get rid of the bad guys guns and sources--well I guess the funding has to come from somewhere?
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Re: obama wants assault weapon ban

Postby EJSG19 on Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:02 pm

Nougat wrote:Into this on another forum where someone is all ooh assault scary. Whats the point the only difference I see in assault rifles is aesthetics. It doesn't make it any easier to kill more people because you have detachable mags a Telescoping stock, Pistol grip, Bayonet mount, Grenade launcher, and a Flash suppressor. Well the bayonet and grenades might add a few but really I see it as appearance. Instead of drumming up sales and inflating prices why not try some more focus on task groups to get rid of the bad guys guns and sources--well I guess the funding has to come from somewhere?


Not to nit pick, but, technically I'd have to disagree with your "performance enhancing" argument. Honestly, if the military adopted the design, it must be more effective than a bolt action, or Garand type weapon for the average soldier. At the very least, it is to some bean counter who sold the contracts to build hundreds of thousands of them.

But, the key is, to law abiding citizens, our right to own firearms shall NOT be infringed. And, while it HAS been infringed many times the past 100 years, we still have the right to defend ourselves from enemies, hunt game efficiently as we like, and enjoy these firearms for recreation as much as we like.

The appearance is an issue, but it is a dying issue. EBR's (we need to kill that term, for our benefit by the way) have caught on, and people who know the score really like them. This trend will continue.
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Re: obama wants assault weapon ban

Postby Heffay on Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:18 pm

Nougat wrote:Instead of drumming up sales and inflating prices why not try some more focus on task groups to get rid of the bad guys guns and sources


The gun groups should be donating every single spare penny they have into fighting mental illness and helping society get over the hangup they have over it.
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Re: obama wants assault weapon ban

Postby Nougat on Wed Oct 17, 2012 6:41 pm

Heffay wrote:
Nougat wrote:Instead of drumming up sales and inflating prices why not try some more focus on task groups to get rid of the bad guys guns and sources


The gun groups should be donating every single spare penny they have into fighting mental illness and helping society get over the hangup they have over it.


Eh? I'm not mental I've just had a few concussions :x
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Re: obama wants assault weapon ban

Postby PHATSPEED7x on Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:56 am

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Re: obama wants assault weapon ban

Postby Heffay on Fri Oct 19, 2012 10:10 am

Nougat wrote:
Heffay wrote:
Nougat wrote:Instead of drumming up sales and inflating prices why not try some more focus on task groups to get rid of the bad guys guns and sources


The gun groups should be donating every single spare penny they have into fighting mental illness and helping society get over the hangup they have over it.


Eh? I'm not mental I've just had a few concussions :x


I'm not saying you're mental. I'm saying instead of creating task forces to get rid of the bad guys guns and sources, we spend our resources fighting mental illness.
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