NEED HELP!!! ATTENTION TANFOGLIO guys

[chopper]

All the Tanfo's I have owned liked a blot on the bull, instead of floating the bull on the front site.

X2

[old guy]

I think you are right, the gun does not work for you. I have two pf9s one shoots right on and the other shoots 6 inches higher. Your gun just needs a lower front sight.

John

[minnesotatv]

"One thing to note is that one of the employees at bills shot my gun and
he hit dead center."

what does that tell us?

to answer your question, yes there are fully adjustable rear sights for
Witness pistols. But I doubt that's going to address the problem.

[Seismic Sam]

It's not for nothing that this guy wound up on my ignore list within two posts, and I see nothing's changed...

Ahhhhh...

Some men you can not reach...

But that was the way he wanted it..

Well, he (don't) gits it!!

[Thunder71]

I think adjustable sights are a fair method to get a gun to shoot where you are aiming, not sure why everyone's in such a huff over it... if he shoots the gun in the same place every time while aiming the same way every time there are 3 options:

1. Adjust where you aim.
2. Adjust the sights.
3. Get something else.

Nothing to get all bent out of shape over.

[jshuberg]

Wow, I was trying to give you some constructive advice. I'm sorry you took it the wrong way. Good luck with everything.

[rukwikenuf]

so, if one of the RO's at Bills got it to hit POA-POI, did you have him shoot multiple shots, or was this possibly a fluke? who was the RO? <--- this is actually important. some of those guys can shoot, others (like me) can usually hit the broadside of a barn from the inside.

why are you also so quick to dismiss that there's an issue with YOU and not the gun? almost every issue i've seen with someone's firearm (especially a new one) is that they don't know the proper gripping method of the gun! a Tangfolio is different from an XDm and the XDm is different from a SIG, and the SIG is different from a 1911! plain an simple. you will need to change your grip, or (it sounds to me like) you're anticipating the recoil and forcing the bbl down as you pull the trigger. the fact that you're getting good groups only tells me that you're pushing the bbl low to the SAME POINT on every shot. i've seen it. don't be afraid of the gun.

now, if you want to try your hand at crucifying all of us that are saying it's YOU and not the GUN, by all means, go for it. we all are experienced. take your pride out of the equation, and you'll be better off

[Lunchbox]

One thing people haven't seemed to address. It was one trip to the range, everybody has off days. Go in this weekend and try it again.

[jshuberg]

I think adjustable sights are a fair method to get a gun to shoot where you are aiming, not sure why everyone's in such a huff over it.

I think you misunderstand, those of us who offered the advice of keeping the existing sights were simply trying to prevent him from doing something that could hurt his shooting technique.

A person with very good hand eye coordination and muscle control, and who is well practiced can in fact reproduce the same error with a fair degree of consistency. I'm not addressing the OP specifically here, but if a person who generally shoots well is consistently off target with a particular pistol, one that other people *are* able to shoot accurately, this indicates there is a problem in shooting technique that hasn't evidenced itself or has gone unnoticed to this point. Perhaps the grip is at a different angle, is a different thickness, the length of pull or trigger weight is different, etc. Whatever the reason, that pistol has shown the shooter that there is a glitch in his shooting technique that has so far gone undiagnosed. This is an opportunity to become a better shooter.

If a person chooses to modify his sights to bring him on target, the effect will be that he is training himself to reproduce the error consistently. It is much more difficult to reprocuce the same error consistently than to reproduce success consistently. When used correctly, the sights act as a feedback mechanism for our shooting technique. We can immediately observe any misalignment and take corrective action to orient the pistol back to the center of the target. When a person moves the sights off of true zero to compensate for shooting technique, they lose the ability to use the sights as a feedback mechanism to take corrective action. At this instant the shot breaks, the sights will have moved out of the 'corrected' alignment by the amount of error. The only way to shoot a weapon accurately this way is by muscle memory alone, effectively converting to point shooting in the instant immediately before the shot breaks. This is a *much* more difficult skill to master compared to using the sights properly and simply working out what the glitch is. A persons ability to shoot accurately by muscle memory is usually much less than their ability to shoot with a correct sight picture.

The typical effect of a shooter using a pistol with sights that are not properly mechanically zeroed is that he will get to a point where he will not be able to improve beyond his current skill level. Muscle memory, and the ability to consistently reproduce a shooting error will never match the accuracy that can be achieved by using properly aligned sights and correcting the error. By moving the sights off of mechanical zero a person is limiting their ability to shoot accurately to less than what they would otherwise be capable of.

[sgruenhagen44]

So I am to believe that every pistol with fixed sights will have the same point of impact with different and ammo and different shooters? Let's assume the shooters are master class shooters. Sorry if I came of as a dick, I'm just frustrated. And to answer one of the previous questions, the RO at bills fired one shot. Couldn't tell ya his name. I was wondering myself if anticipating recoil was the issue but I tend to shoot my .44 mag the most out of all my guns. Granted it is a completely different gun but usually when I anticipate I shoot high and left. Believe me I am not claiming i have perfect shooing form at all!!!! I just feel like at this point it is easier to get a different gun than change my entire shooting style just because one pistol out of the dozen or so I can remember over the last year shot way far off. Sorry if I pissed some people off. Like I said before. I'm just going to chalk it up as a loss. I have had shotguns that never would work for me, I have even been told by gunsmiths that it is impossible for them to fit my citori 16 gauge to fit me properly. And for the record, never did I say that anything was wrong with the gun. I actually said I liked the trigger and the grip, and that it was accurate and givin me tight groups.... just not close at all to the bull.

Not to stray off topic here, but what is true Zero? If all guns have a true zero, then why do they even make adjustable sights? Just for people like me with the wrong shooting technique? No doubt I am obviously doing something different than the guy at bills who shot my gun.

I used to pick out my pistols based on whether or not they had adjustable sights. But then after a few purchases I realized I was not really adjusting them anyway, so I said screw it when I got this gun figuring they were not needed. The sights are for sure centered on this gun, just not the right height.

[jshuberg]

Most pistols only have sights that can be adjusted horizontally, which is probably as much of a consequence of how the sights are installed as it is an intended feature in itself. Pistols that have sights that can also be adjusted vertically are primarily so the shooter can dial in their preferred sight picture and to zero at their preferred distance. Myself, I prefer about a 1" 6:00 hold at 25 yards, but everyone is going to have a different preference. Also, every pistol is going to shoot slightly differently, even within the same make and model - manufacturing tolerances and all.

Ideally, you will choose your preferred sight picture and zero distance, and set up your sights for your preferences. When fired with absolutely no external factors influencing the pistol, it will shoot POI = POA every time at the accuracy that the pistol is capable of shooting. A this point the pistol is properly mechanically zeroed. If you zero based on how you shoot, it will be subjectively zeroed. A subjectively zeroed pistol will never shoot as accurately as a mechanically zeroed pistol will. You can get a good zero by using a rest, and by letting other shooters who can shoot accurately try it and give you their suggestions. Honestly, the best thing you can do would be to let a really good bullseye guy shoot it. He'll be able to tell you in an instant exactly what needs to be adjusted.

If only one other person has fired one round with it at 7 yards, it's possible that it was a lucky fluke. I'd have someone else shoot at least a 5 round group out to where you want it zeroed (typically 20-25 yards), and possibly more than one person as well before making a determination on whats going on with it.

[sgruenhagen44]

Problem solved. Got rid of it today. Found a gun with adjustable sights.

[grousemaster]

Problem solved. Got rid of it today. Found a gun with adjustable sights.

I can't stand a defensive pistol with adjustable sights.

[Thunder71]

Good thing he bought it for himself then huh?

Hope this one works out for you.


Tapatalk - Helping people post from bathrooms since 2009.

[rukwikenuf]

Problem solved. Got rid of it today. Found a gun with adjustable sights.

i'd say problem AVOIDED, but whatever. glad you found something that you'll like.