Is it time to talk about any change in gun laws?

[tazdevil]

Ok, I know this is a touchy subject, even for me. But I do have some problems with the way the system does work. These are not arguable facts that we should look closer at:

1: The 4473. It only cursory asks the question about mental health. There's no further check, and nothing to verify that question is answered correctly (unless someone has been committed). The only thing that would prevent someone from answering it wrong is that's illegal, but we all know that won't change someone who really wants a gun but isn't supposed to have one from answering it wrong.

2: Private sales. While most on here use the PTC/PTP card as a "safety net" for verifying eligibility for another to buy a firearm from you, not everyone does, and is that far enough, or should a intermediary (FFL) be used in the transaction?

3: This may sound ridiculous, but should black powder guns be subject to the same NICS check that all other's are? Right now, you could walk in your local neighborhood Cabela's, and buy a black powder pistol/rifle without any form of a check. They're right next to BB guns out in the open, not behind the counter.


All I ask is that your responses be respectful, I just feel we need to look closer at this.

[Mn01r6]

1) if you extend prohibition on gun ownership to all those who have seen a psychiatrist, you will encourage people not to get help. People who we can tell are dangerous are committed already. People who are just depressed or anxious should not be prevented from owning a gun, but should have family/friends step in and hold on to them if they are acutely suicidal.

2) requiring an FFL intermediary doesn't do anything to prevent stolen guns from being used. We should be focused on how people can protect themselves from evil doers, not how to prevent evil doers from getting weapons, because that just isn't possible.

3) a knife or sword is more dangerous and capable of multiple kills in rapid succession.

[Ron Burgundy]

1. What is your proposal?
2. No
3. Yes

[SpiderPig]

1) if you extend prohibition on gun ownership to all those who have seen a psychiatrist, you will encourage people not to get help. People who we can tell are dangerous are committed already. People who are just depressed or anxious should not be prevented from owning a gun, but should have family/friends step in and hold on to them if they are acutely suicidal.

2) requiring an FFL intermediary doesn't do anything to prevent stolen guns from being used. We should be focused on how people can protect themselves from evil doers, not how to prevent evil doers from getting weapons, because that just isn't possible.

3) a knife or sword is more dangerous and capable of multiple kills in rapid succession.

Pretty much right on.

I'll add the following:
1. When idiots purchase weapons for people who are ineligible, they are committing a felony. The system in place works the vast majority of the time. If someone wants to give a legally purchased gun to a nut, they will.
2. An FFL transaction also does not prevent a gun from being used in a crime.
3. I'm not aware of muzzleloaders or other C&R firearms being a significant tool of criminals. We don't need more government to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

[sprigfan]

Something definitely needs to be done to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill. However, it is going to be extremely difficult , if not impossible, to accomplish. This kid wasn't even old enough to purchase a handgun, so he stole his mother's. The mall shooter in Portland stole his friend's rifle. I genuinely don't see a gun control solution that wouldn't negatively effect all gun owners & buyers in a big way.

[TTS]

Ok, I know this is a touchy subject, even for me. But I do have some problems with the way the system does work. These are not arguable facts that we should look closer at:

1: The 4473. It only cursory asks the question about mental health. There's no further check, and nothing to verify that question is answered correctly (unless someone has been committed). The only thing that would prevent someone from answering it wrong is that's illegal, but we all know that won't change someone who really wants a gun but isn't supposed to have one from answering it wrong.

2: Private sales. While most on here use the PTC/PTP card as a "safety net" for verifying eligibility for another to buy a firearm from you, not everyone does, and is that far enough, or should a intermediary (FFL) be used in the transaction?

3: This may sound ridiculous, but should black powder guns be subject to the same NICS check that all other's are? Right now, you could walk in your local neighborhood Cabela's, and buy a black powder pistol/rifle without any form of a check. They're right next to BB guns out in the open, not behind the counter.


All I ask is that your responses be respectful, I just feel we need to look closer at this.

Should we require anti drunk driving measures to start a car, or have knives regulated?

A man in China recently killed a bunch of school kids with a knife, because they don't have guns.

The problem is not with the weapon, it is with the people who use them.

[xd ED]

Actually the guy in China didn't cause any fatalities, the last I read of the recent attack.

[TTS]

Actually the guy in China didn't cause any fatalities, the last I read of the recent attack.

See, the Chinese can't even get mass murder right

[xd ED]

What do you expect from a country who has yet to discover the spoon.

[george]

Can't we jest make it Doubly, Triply, Quadruply Illegal ? That should take care of any Illegal use of a firearm in a crime.

I don't think it would matter, criminals will break laws whatever they are, especially those committing sue-aside in the process.
Maybe they should be classified as terrorists and there families shunned. (not politically correct)

Personally, I feel one can only hope to get them before they act out there plans or early in the process to hold the damage at a minimum.

OH, I'm A NO on all three .

[LarryFlew]

That would be no, no and no and wondering why they where asked.

[sgruenhagen44]

no, no , no. crazy people do crazy things. its reality. If you're capable of shooting your mother you would probably kill her either way, gun or not. hate is hate.

[photogpat]

Crazy people will do crazy things. That's a gimme.

The national conversation is occurring now whether you want it or not. It's playing out across both Traditional Media and Social Media. "Assault Weapons", Magazine capacity, concealed carry, handguns, ammo...it's all happening, and using this tragedy to bolster it. If a bill were introduced tomorrow to lose any/all of the above, it would pass. There were children killed, no one, repeat no one wants to see that...ever....nor ever again...they'd sign onto just about anything in light of that.

The only thing to do is get out in front of the conversation, stay informed, stay polite (I had to remind myself of this one this morning) and keep others informed.

[Heffay]

Nothing will happen. It's just like every other incident in the past few years. Everyone will say something has to be done, and nothing will.

[photogpat]

Nothing will happen. It's just like every other incident in the past few years. Everyone will say something has to be done, and nothing will.

Not quite like every other one...this one hit 20 young children. That's an abomination to nearly every single socio-economic group in this country.