James Yeager's Serious

[XDM45]

JY is an a-hole even in this second video. He said his videos are his property, well, maybe everyone should upload them so he starts frothing at the mount and can't keep up.

If you put it out there, it will be taken. Will you get paid for everything and catch everyone? No. It's just part of it. If you don't want it taken, don't put it out there, that's all. I agree it's not right, but what's right and what is are two different things.

Who were you saying is a hypocrite, again?

Actually if you read AND understood what I wrote, you'd see there's nothing hypocritical about me or what I said, but here it goes...

JY is an a-hole even in this second video. He said his videos are his property, well, maybe everyone [b]should upload them so he starts frothing at the mount and can't keep up[/b]
Pretty self explanatory. He's an a-hole. Yes, the videos are his property, but if he doesn't want something out there on the Internet, well, perhaps he shouldn't upload it? I don't know...seems sound to me.

He first lacks control over his emotions, then he lacks the self-control to NOT upload himself being a jackhole, now, while yes, he does legally own the contact, that horse has left the barn. Once it's out there, it's out there. I say upload his video everywhere because people have a short memory and people will soon forget and still follow the idiot. Conversely though, NOT uploading it is also good because it is ammo for the antis.

Of course I also think if everyone started drawing the face of a certain religious prophet that as it was done a few years ago in a cartoon format, what are they going to do? Kill everyone and blow up the world? JY is a child stomping his foot and running his mouth.

If he wants to control his videos, maybe he should start with not making them? Just an idea. I only said to upload it everywhere because it'd basically be the Streisand Effect.

If you put it out there, it will be taken. Will you get paid for everything and catch everyone? No. It's just part of it. If you don't want it taken, don't put it out there, that's all. I agree it's not right, but what's right and what is are two different things.

Pretty self-explanatory as well.

I write books, articles, all sorts of things. Had a column in a newspaper for a number of years, if stuff gets taken, oh well. I'm not going to cry about it. That's life in the digital age.

[t140]

You seem to be wrapped up almost entirely with your opinion on JY. I have said nothing about your opinion. You think people should steal his work. I said that it's wrong and you flew off the handle.

I will add that it's disheartening to see that stealing someone's work is acceptable in your eyes.

[sgruenhagen44]

stealing what? I'm confused.

[LePetomane]

Perhaps Mr. Yeager could benefit from anger management or conflict resolution therapy. Just a thought.

[XDM45]

You seem to be wrapped up almost entirely with your opinion on JY. I have said nothing about your opinion. You think people should steal his work. I said that it's wrong and you flew off the handle.

I will add that it's disheartening to see that stealing someone's work is acceptable in your eyes.

I think that if you release something (photos, software, books, movies, etc), you just have to accept the fact it will be stolen. It doesn't make it right.

[xd ED]

stealing what? I'm confused.

I agree. What's the difference if I watch the video he posted, or the copy of it you posted, as long as you are not reselling it to me, he hasn't been harmed or deprived by anything you did.( he managed that on his own)

[XDM45]

stealing what? I'm confused.

I agree. What's the difference if I watch the video he posted, or the copy of it you posted, as long as you are not reselling it to me, he hasn't been harmed or deprived by anything you did.( he managed that on his own)

Exactly one of my points as well....although I didn't say that in my posts and should have, so thank you.

[t140]

stealing what? I'm confused.

I agree. What's the difference if I watch the video he posted, or the copy of it you posted, as long as you are not reselling it to me, he hasn't been harmed or deprived by anything you did.( he managed that on his own)

He made the video and released it for public viewing. Not for public reproducing. There was no download button on his YouTube page. It's the exact same deal as radio stations playing songs. People can listen but are not free to record. Same with movie rentals, NFL games, etc.

[xd ED]

stealing what? I'm confused.

I agree. What's the difference if I watch the video he posted, or the copy of it you posted, as long as you are not reselling it to me, he hasn't been harmed or deprived by anything you did.( he managed that on his own)

He made the video and released it for public viewing. Not for public reproducing. There was no download button on his YouTube page. It's the exact same deal as radio stations playing songs. People can listen but are not free to record. Same with movie rentals, NFL games, etc.

A major difference being the commercial relationships that exist between musicians/ record companies/ radio stations, movie actors/film makers/ distributers, nfl players/ teams/ broadcasters; none of these things exist between tattoo boy, the guy who downloads his video, or me the guy who watches it.

Just out of curiosity: is his stuff copy-writed?

[t140]

You're right in that it's probably just him producing it. However, any way you slice it, it's his work.

ALL works of art are copyrighted for 70 years upon creation. There is no need to register with the copyright office. There's also no longer a requirement of the (c) you sometimes see.

[xd ED]

You're right in that it's probably just him producing it. However, any way you slice it, it's his work.

ALL works of art are copyrighted upon creation. There is no need to register with the copyright office. There's also no longer a requirement of the (c) you sometimes see.

Fair enough.
But in any legal action regarding such things, the first question likely asked is: How was he harmed? He posted something- presumably because he wanted others to see it. He took no precautions to prevent copying on a publicly accessible venue, and others are now watching- directly, and indirectly. Again: How is he harmed?

[XDM45]

stealing what? I'm confused.

I agree. What's the difference if I watch the video he posted, or the copy of it you posted, as long as you are not reselling it to me, he hasn't been harmed or deprived by anything you did.( he managed that on his own)

He made the video and released it for public viewing. Not for public reproducing. There was no download button on his YouTube page. It's the exact same deal as radio stations playing songs. People can listen but are not free to record. Same with movie rentals, NFL games, etc.

Just to clarify, it's impossible to view anything on the web online because when you click a link, it downloads the files (html pages, php, asp, active x, etc) into your browser's cache on your hard drive. Including video as well. It may stream, but it's still being copied to your drive. In other cases, the entire video is downloaded and played from the cache "as is". If you go into your temp directory or cache, you can grab the file.

He is not losing any money from the reproduction of it in any way, shape, and/or form whatsoever. What he is losing (if he had any to begin with) is reputation.

I don't advocate crime or stealing, but I do advocate spreading the word so people don't buy into his bs anymore. If you tell people he said this, or if they only see his edited videos, they won't believe it. Yes, he mentions in a later video that he said he'd "satart killing people" in an earlier video....but he also edited that out of an earlier video and re-released it. I think the original video needs to be seen. The danger is that the antis could use it as ammo, but then again, that may work for us because clearly the gun community is against this nutjob too. Hard to say what's best, but all of t his is only my opinion. Yours will vary.

[Thunder71]

Kind of hard to blame someone else for what you did to yourself, and there's a lot of thought and decision making involved before a video goes live on YouTube, can't say he didn't have the opportunity to change his mind... he has too big of an ego and thinks he can do/say whatever he wants without ramification.

I'm afraid it will catch up with him sooner than later.

[Evad]

Kind of hard to blame someone else for what you did to yourself, and there's a lot of thought and decision making involved before a video goes live on YouTube, can't say he didn't have the opportunity to change his mind... he has too big of an ego and thinks he can do/say whatever he wants without ramification.

I'm afraid it will catch up with him sooner than later.

Not for everyone there isn't

[t140]

XDM45 is right on what he could lose. Or he may take the devaluing his product route.

Either way, I see where this discussion is going and really don't care to get into a 10 page argument over it.

My position is clear, stealing is wrong. Whether you dislike the guy or not. If you guys think otherwise, you're entitled to your opinion, also. I digress.