Where is all the ammo going?

[JJ]

I know it might not be popular, and I'm just spit balling here.. but why wouldn't the government require a permit to purchase ammo? We all know criminals find illegal ways to get guns, but that doesn't stop a gang banger in Chicago from buying a gun out of a trunk from going to GM, Walmart, or wherever to get ammo.

It would be hard not to agree that concivted criminals who cannot buy guns, should not be allowed to purchase ammo.

I'd almost rather see that step first than any attempt on a ban. It doesn't make law abiding citizens criminals over night. It makes criminals that own guns illegally guilty of yet another crime. If they get arrested for ammo purchase, one could reasonably execute a legal search of their property for the guns the ammo was to be used in.

You might want to do a little research on the FOIDcard in Illinois. Exactly what you are describing, yet the murder rate in Chicago is still off the charts.

[xd ED]

Soon enough the excitement will subside. The shelves will restock, and things will be back to semi normal.

I say semi normal because if the gun ban doesn't go through, I see the government attempting to punish gun owners another way. Likely taxes on new purchases, regulation on reloading (licensing, limits on power/primers).

I know it might not be popular, and I'm just spit balling here.. but why wouldn't the government require a permit to purchase ammo? We all know criminals find illegal ways to get guns, but that doesn't stop a gang banger in Chicago from buying a gun out of a trunk from going to GM, Walmart, or wherever to get ammo.

It would be hard not to agree that concivted criminals who cannot buy guns, should not be allowed to purchase ammo.

I'd almost rather see that step first than any attempt on a ban. It doesn't make law abiding citizens criminals over night. It makes criminals that own guns illegally guilty of yet another crime. If they get arrested for ammo purchase, one could reasonably execute a legal search of their property for the guns the ammo was to be used in.

If by " soon enough", you're thinking 2 years and prices @ 60-70% of current, I'll agree.

If someone is illicitly buying a gun out of the trunk of a car, with ammo restrictions, wouldn't there then be a market for parking lot ammo as well?

Ammo flows through any supply chain easier than a gun, due to it's size, and nondescript nature; or does your plan include identifying each and every round?

[Ironbear]

...I have a feeling they don't really need a warehouse at the moment: just load it straight into the trailer.

Heck, I'm willing to bet that they could make a decent run, right now, with a credit card machine, a loading dock, a fork lift and a 1/4 ton minimum purchase!

Drive through anyone!!!

I'll take a two twenty three, quarter tonner with special sauce, hold the pallet, and a double order of primers please!!!

[FJ540]

They'd alienate their customers (distributors) and might end up like CTD.

I don't buy loaded ammo anymore anyway. But I'd love factory-direct primers. However, I wish Federal would reduce the size of their packaging, saving themselves some money, and lower the price though. I don't have room to store multiple thousands of those big boxes.

[OldmanFCSA]

You can always store it at my place, for a slight fee ...........

[yuppiejr]

People went from buying what they need for the next hunt or season worth of shooting to ammo for the lifetime of each firearm they own and are still in "I dont' care what it costs" mode since some people believe they will somehow never be able to purchase ammo again. Even if the supply chain is slowly ramping up with extra shifts and other temporary capacity bumps no sane ammo maker is going to invest a bunch of money in infastructure to meaningfully increase capacity given the uncertain regulatory climate right now. Until demand drops because the market becomes saturated or price becomes high enough that people settle down and quit panic buying it's not going to get any better...

[MNHandK]

I know it might not be popular, and I'm just spit balling here.. but why wouldn't the government require a permit to purchase ammo? We all know criminals find illegal ways to get guns, but that doesn't stop a gang banger in Chicago from buying a gun out of a trunk from going to GM, Walmart, or wherever to get ammo.

It would be hard not to agree that concivted criminals who cannot buy guns, should not be allowed to purchase ammo.

I'd almost rather see that step first than any attempt on a ban. It doesn't make law abiding citizens criminals over night. It makes criminals that own guns illegally guilty of yet another crime. If they get arrested for ammo purchase, one could reasonably execute a legal search of their property for the guns the ammo was to be used in.

You might want to do a little research on the FOIDcard in Illinois. Exactly what you are describing, yet the murder rate in Chicago is still off the charts.

I wasn't aware of that.

What IL has, and what I suggested isn't anything that I would support.. like I said, just spit balling. I personally think the problem is well beyond guns. I believe I've described it in another thread, but I would rather see 50 states with carry laws that are all reciprocal with little restricting law abiding citizens from protecting themselves. I'd build a program that encourages training, and rewards safety.

[MNHandK]

Soon enough the excitement will subside. The shelves will restock, and things will be back to semi normal.

I say semi normal because if the gun ban doesn't go through, I see the government attempting to punish gun owners another way. Likely taxes on new purchases, regulation on reloading (licensing, limits on power/primers).

I know it might not be popular, and I'm just spit balling here.. but why wouldn't the government require a permit to purchase ammo? We all know criminals find illegal ways to get guns, but that doesn't stop a gang banger in Chicago from buying a gun out of a trunk from going to GM, Walmart, or wherever to get ammo.

It would be hard not to agree that concivted criminals who cannot buy guns, should not be allowed to purchase ammo.

I'd almost rather see that step first than any attempt on a ban. It doesn't make law abiding citizens criminals over night. It makes criminals that own guns illegally guilty of yet another crime. If they get arrested for ammo purchase, one could reasonably execute a legal search of their property for the guns the ammo was to be used in.

If by " soon enough", you're thinking 2 years and prices @ 60-70% of current, I'll agree.

If someone is illicitly buying a gun out of the trunk of a car, with ammo restrictions, wouldn't there then be a market for parking lot ammo as well?

Ammo flows through any supply chain easier than a gun, due to it's size, and nondescript nature; or does your plan include identifying each and every round?

I'm hopeful it doesn't take 2 years, but that may be the definition of soon in this instance.

I don't disagree that a black market for ammo would open up, or doesn't already exist. Like I said, not something I support just trying to put ideas out there.

I've said in another thread, if we don't move hunting, self and home defense to secondary arguments to support the 2nd amendment were going to loose. The single most important argument to make is the defense against tyranny. Not today, maybe not tomorrow. People need to realize that the laws rules and regulations enacted today affect tomorrow. There may be a time in this countries future where a well armed citizenry is needed. Limiting us today, only limits our (future generations) from protecting themselves and protecting our constitution.

[ShaneInMN]

All the new gun owners are buying it all up so they can shoot their guns, compounded with the panic buyers, government, and the rest of us LOL

What I want to know is, where in the heck is all the 22LR ammo? They were practically giving the stuff away 6 months ago, now you're lucky to find a 50 box.

Luckily there's a decent supply of 45 ammo out there.

[killakallies]

I figured I would pop in and give my $0.02 on the matter. Being someone who sells firearms at one of these major retail stores I feel like I may be able to provide some slight insight on the topic. Basically if your trying to purchase .22LR, 9mm, 5.56 or 223 good luck, your best bet is to get some insight on what day the trucks roll in and just camp in the parking lot till you see the truck pull up (Employees don't know what time the truck is coming or whats on it). One of the major reasons my store still receives ammo and AR's is because the company orders a set amount for each week of everything way way in advance to cover the needs the customers have at that time. So these orders are already in the manufacturers books. When a shortage happens the company calls the manufacturer to try to place another bigger order for that week, the problem is these companies have so many orders that they simply tell the store, "We can get your order in for 8 months from now." So it makes it impossible to get more than what you already have on order for those weeks.

I was the guy sitting thinking this shortage will blow over in a month or two. Then I learned from trying to order firearms and ammo to fill stock how long the wait period is for new orders from the major manufacturers. If you don't have enough reloading components to last you the next 9 months get them now, even if you have to pay extra. And if you need factory ammo in one of the calibers I listed find a store, find out when the trucks come in, and camp I guarantee you will get your hands on at least enough to get some shooting in with your firearm (be considerate to your fellow shooters and only take what you honestly need).

Oh one last thing to end this probably long winded, going to be avoided rant . don't be that guy who buys all the .223 ammo in the store and stands in the parking lot selling that ammo at a $10.00 markup. Next time I'm gonna get a picture of the guy who does that and post it up here so you all know one good reason why no one can have a day of fun at the range with their AR. Working at a store with no limit to the amount of ammo you can buy it seems to me that certain people see this as an opening to take advantage of it.

[Synergy]

I just wish stores would start limiting how much a person can buy at one time so we all have a chance at getting something

[photogpat]

My sons and I were shooting .22's at Oakdale yesterday morning. What looked to be another Dad and his son were there too...I had a brick of .22 out that we were using to refill from...the guy had one box of 50 which they shot through pretty quickly, and then started to pack up. I asked him if he needed some more...and gave him 100rds.

Sad when you can't even get enough .22 at decent retail prices for a morning at the fun range.

[xd ED]

I just wish stores would start limiting how much a person can buy at one time so we all have a chance at getting something

The stores that don't limit ammo and reloading components are screwing themselves. They get a reputation of being out of stock, which discourages store traffic, thus eliminating add-on sales.

[MNGunGuy]

I just wish stores would start limiting how much a person can buy at one time so we all have a chance at getting something

The stores that don't limit ammo and reloading components are screwing themselves. They get a reputation of being out of stock, which discourages store traffic, thus eliminating add-on sales.

Normally I'd agree but right now people are going to stores like Walmart and Fleet Farm knowing that there's most likely nothing for them there. Hope is all they need to stop in these days.

[killakallies]

Anyone looking for 22lr, 5.56, 9mm, or 223 shoot me a message I know where there will be allot today and this store does have a limit. Ammo is at retail price so no inflation prices and they do have bulk boxes of cci 22lr and 100rd boxes of federal AR.