100 rds 45acp reloads

[OldmanFCSA]

Don't worry about Seismic Sam. I think he needs to have this sort of outburst now and the in order to maintain the perception he has of himself as some sort of outlaw, Internet-reloading guru/legend/folk hero who shows up to make a "noob sandwich" out of anyone who dares to post about something he does not approve of. I think that in his mind, there are legions of screaming fans going wild every time he does this sort of thing. Personally, I was bored with it about 5 years ago.

Hang around long enough and you'll get to read all of his greatest hits; the one about the kid with the .44 and the idiot uncle, the pool of blood on the concrete behind the firing line, and the one about how the use of small-primer .45 ACP brass puts every shooter in the country in mortal danger.

Lots of people have learned how to reload just fine without his input, so his "wisdom" is only relevant if you want it...

+1

I too have years of reloading experience similar to SSam, but USUALLY have a different approach to answering a tough subject.
I wait a couple of day for SSam to respond.

I looked at this subject and my first thought was - tear them down and reload with known loads.
But I have sufficient supplies to not look for additional work like this so did not respond.

While SSam is correct, his approach is a bit strong, but accurate. LEARN who responds to your questions and understand where they come from and the experience level they have, before dissing them as Trolls that live under a bridge (even though that is true in this case).

I would not buy, unless I could dis-assemble properly and reload carefully.
Yes, I've had a FFL just for reloading, but no longer sell reloads, but will teach anyone how to reload and let you rent the equipment for a donation to the cause.

[Seismic Sam]

Well, I doubt this is going to produce any results, but I'm asking these questions of the OP to simply get them off my chest and go on with my life.

Why on earth would you make up a box of ammo using two kinds of powder?? Did you just run out of one and then switch to the other??

Were you aware that one of your loads was minimum level and one was absolute max level?? If so, why did you put both in the same box with just the cryptic remark that they were one powder charge or the other?

Are they marked in any way so you can tell the difference, or is the box 5 rows of 231 and 5 rows of N340, or are they all just mixed in together?

Were you planning in clueing in the buyer how different the two loads were, or did you just assume that they would know the difference, even though only another reloader COULD know that, and so they wouldn't be buying your stuff anyway.

Do you REALLY believe that you have some right guaranteed by the Constitution to sell some borderline mix of stuff like this to a complete stranger and just wash your hands of the whole deal if that person gets hurt??

Good luck if you get a bite, Oldman, and call me later and let me know where this person was coming from, because I've really never seen anything remotely like this before.

[gearguy10]

I was totally serious with my offer of $15. Nevermind the rest of the static in this thread.

And I'm totally serious about my offer of $15.01.

Lemme know. I got no guff to give. I know what I'm getting into.

[gearguy10]

[Poke bee's nest]

And to explain why Sam does what he does...I think a little Ralph Waldo Emerson says it best:

"The other terror that scares us from self-trust is our consistency; a reverence for our past act or word, because the eyes of others have no other data for computing our orbit than our past acts, and we are loath to disappoint them."

[/Poke bee's nest]

[PileDriver]

Why anyone would dare post something about reloading on this forum is silly.

[Rem700]

:lol: Why anyone would dare post something about reloading on this forum is silly.

I dont know either, But I always wait to see what Sams reply is gonna bring.

[Seismic Sam]

Well, being called a totall ASS!!! by a few n00bs is about normal, and it makes absolutely no difference to me whatsoever, but having people heaving Ralph Waldo Emerson quotes at me Is a little bit scary...

And just for the hell of it, I might as well post the primary reason why I'm like this. As far as REALLY understanding how serious the consequences of a screwup are, there are two kinds or people: Those that understand it and get it, and those that have no clue and believe that "something that awful could never happen to me". What that really means is there are people who have suffered permanent and irreversible injury to themselves, and there are people who haven't. It's pretty much that simple. My education occurred at age 19, we were snowed in at the time, and I screwed up with a snowblower and got my left hand pretty well mangled. Had to sit in a chair for three hours and watch the marrow ooze out of what was left of my finger bones until they could get the roads plowed. Rodentman gets it, because he's missing a leg from some idiot hitting him while he was on his motorcycle, and it wasn't in any way his fault. 1911fan got it - he saw a guy who cooked up a really bad handload for a rifle, and the bolt blew its lugs and came back and sheared off good chunk of the right side of the guy's face. I think the guy died somewhat later...

And that's just a little moment in the past - now Sasha and I do volunteer work 4 days a week, with one day at Our Lady of peace Hospice (all terminal cancer patients), and three days a week at Bethesda St. Paul, which is THE premier brain injury/critical injury rehab hospital in the stae, excepting Mayo. So we see the worst of the worst 4 times a week, and all are pretty much victims of the most monstrous and incomprehensible catastrophes that can happen to people, be it their own fault or somebody else's. I won't go into any details because of patient confidentiality, but Sasha and I see it all, and 95% or more of the time Sasha can make their day better, even if they are still partially in a coma or only partially conscious. That's the world I live in, and ther are very few people who can follow in my footsteps, and Bethesda's reptuation scares away most therapy dog teams.

So when some Joe Blow offers up a box of mixed max and min power handloads for sale to anybody during an ammo famine, and that's something so unconscionable that I've never even heard of it before, I get honked off, and I think I have a right to my opinion, based on all the experience I've had working with people who are recovering from disasters they they never thought could happen to them, of that they could cause by their own ignorant negligence. And let's be real clear about the chances of me personally winding up with the end result of something like this on my doorstep: Unless they're South of Goodhue County, it's 90% likely I will personally see these people three times a week until they either walk out under their own power or fail to make the cut and wind up in a long term care home.

So yeah, I got a real attitude problem with people in here who could get themselves hurt, or even worse get somebody else hurt with handloading, and if you get hurty feelings about getting called on doing something with potentially catastrophic consequences, I could care less. I can't ever go back to the blissfully ignorant world you live in, and it's unlikely that you will ever be permanently deported to the one I live in because of one of your own screwups. So be safe out there, because the troll is waiting for you, and he has infinte patience and time on his hands..

Oh, there are already at least three members of this board who have crossed our path through no fault of their own, and I think all 3 will vouch for the fact that we made a positive difference during a very hard time in their lives.

[rugershooter6823]

Well, being called a totall ASS!!! by a few n00bs is about normal, and it makes absolutely no difference to me whatsoever, but having people heaving Ralph Waldo Emerson quotes at me Is a little bit scary...

And just for the hell of it, I might as well post the primary reason why I'm like this. As far as REALLY understanding how serious the consequences of a screwup are, there are two kinds or people: Those that understand it and get it, and those that have no clue and believe that "something that awful could never happen to me". What that really means is there are people who have suffered permanent and irreversible injury to themselves, and there are people who haven't. It's pretty much that simple. My education occurred at age 19, we were snowed in at the time, and I screwed up with a snowblower and got my left hand pretty well mangled. Had to sit in a chair for three hours and watch the marrow ooze out of what was left of my finger bones until they could get the roads plowed. Rodentman gets it, because he's missing a leg from some idiot hitting him while he was on his motorcycle, and it wasn't in any way his fault. 1911fan got it - he saw a guy who cooked up a really bad handload for a rifle, and the bolt blew its lugs and came back and sheared off good chunk of the right side of the guy's face. I think the guy died somewhat later...

And that's just a little moment in the past - now Sasha and I do volunteer work 4 days a week, with one day at Our Lady of peace Hospice (all terminal cancer patients), and three days a week at Bethesda St. Paul, which is THE premier brain injury/critical injury rehab hospital in the stae, excepting Mayo. So we see the worst of the worst 4 times a week, and all are pretty much victims of the most monstrous and incomprehensible catastrophes that can happen to people, be it their own fault or somebody else's. I won't go into any details because of patient confidentiality, but Sasha and I see it all, and 95% or more of the time Sasha can make their day better, even if they are still partially in a coma or only partially conscious. That's the world I live in, and ther are very few people who can follow in my footsteps, and Bethesda's reptuation scares away most therapy dog teams.

So when some Joe Blow offers up a box of mixed max and min power handloads for sale to anybody during an ammo famine, and that's something so unconscionable that I've never even heard of it before, I get honked off, and I think I have a right to my opinion, based on all the experience I've had working with people who are recovering from disasters they they never thought could happen to them, of that they could cause by their own ignorant negligence. And let's be real clear about the chances of me personally winding up with the end result of something like this on my doorstep: Unless they're South of Goodhue County, it's 90% likely I will personally see these people three times a week until they either walk out under their own power or fail to make the cut and wind up in a long term care home.

So yeah, I got a real attitude problem with people in here who could get themselves hurt, or even worse get somebody else hurt with handloading, and if you get hurty feelings about getting called on doing something with potentially catastrophic consequences, I could care less. I can't ever go back to the blissfully ignorant world you live in, and it's unlikely that you will ever be permanently deported to the one I live in because of one of your own screwups, but if that ever happens I will make the most of the opportunity to rub it in as hard as I can. So be safe out there, because the troll is waiting for you, and he has infinte patience and time on his hands..

Oh, there are already at least three members of this board who have crossed our path through no fault of their own, and I think all 3 will vouch for the fact that we made a positive difference during a very hard time in their lives.

It has nothing to do with a ammo famine. I don't have a 45 nor do i load them. I know there are people out there that will break them down and reload to their standards. I know not to shoot someone else's reloads. I wont even shoot my dads. But if some one was selling some at a decent price i would buy them and break them down. And properly dispose of the powder and them load them myself.

I understand they you may have had a accident personally in the past, but that doesn't give the right to be rude to others. So back off!!!!!

If you want to rant and rave about things make your own post and you may say whatever you want. But your actions are uncalled for and unwanted. If you dont want to buy them then leave it at that. What good did any thing you said do?


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[OldmanFCSA]

Don't answer one of SSam's postings with a question at the end!
You have seen he likes to type and always has plenty to say.

I'm done here unless a specific question is asked.

[FJ540]

I think it's ironic how SS is looking out for people and gets a reaming for doing it in his own way.

There's no one (other than Doug) that I know of who actively teaches noobs. I was blessed to have DeanC come over and walk me through when I started, and I expressly asked him for that favor. I've got two post secondary degrees and high marks in all sorts of hard science classes - reading a reloading book (and the next, and the next) all seemed so simple... I actually thought I was missing something extreme and didn't trust my lack of experience as such because of the caution everyone expressed about the subject. So I had Deaner come show me the ropes. No surprises, it was just like I had understood in the manuals.

There in lies the problem though. I understood that making a bad load was possibly a one time proposition. The guy Pete watched die didn't get to step back and say "Man, that one was a bit too hot, I'm going to pull down the rest of these." There is no do-overs once your gun is blown up. There's also no way of knowing if you're going be lucky enough to just lose the gun. What if you're ok, and you blew someones eye out in the next shooting position? This is serious shyt. It's completely safe if you follow the rules, but when you get sloppy it can be fatal, the best case scenario is you only lose the gun.

People need to understand you're dealing with something that makes the dangerous ends of the weapon reverse when you screw up. SS is being the proverbial "boot to the head" because he cares. When I see Sam fired up, I see a guy who genuinely gives a eff, not some raving a-hole who just wants to beat up on people.

Just to put things in a bit of perspective - 55,000 psi is a lot of force, even if it's only focused on a few tenths of an inch, it's like getting your hand stuck in a mechanical shear - you're no match, and you will be losing digits if you take that much pressure: even if there's no shrapnel! Just the gas alone will slice you like a hot knife through butter. Now add to that some bits of gun and you're holding a claymore.

[MrVvrroomm]

Less preaching, more practice not coming across as a prick.

[bpacman]

Interesting thread.

It is obvious that Sam is a seasoned reloader with experience and not a teacher like some of the forum members that I have had the pleasure to meet.

That doesn't mean SSam doesn't have anything to teach, it is just that his delivery is akin to a very articulate Drill Sergeant experiencing a Roid Rage.

He is not alone in his interpersonal communications skills on this board.

...I have never had a problem being the ass-hole, and I will continue to do so...

Less preaching, more practice not coming across as a prick.

I figured you guys have got this covered. What it comes down too is that reloading and shooting other peoples reloads sometimes puts the Darwin Theory to the Test.

Bp

[Rodentman]

I had a couple of anxious moments with SS when I posted something "dumb." I don't remember what it was, frankly, but I know I'm not doing it anymore and I am still here.

And SS is right that it doesn't always happen to someone else. I get as mad at bad drivers as SS does at bad reloaders.

As far as reloads, I won't sell them, and I won't let anyone else shoot them at the range unless I have fired some from the batch first myself. I just hate to tell people "no" when they want to fire the DE 50 or the 500 mag.

[gearguy10]

but having people heaving Ralph Waldo Emerson quotes at me Is a little bit scary...

Sorry for scare. I just meant that you do what you do because we expect you to and you loathe to disappoint. Heck, I check this section often just to see if the troll came out from under his bridge. I consider it color commentary. I for one am entertained, sir.

And I've been around long enough to know that Sam is a good man who does good things for people in need. The bluster is just that. Clearly some of us have thicker skin than others. BTW, you have my permission to blast me anytime you see fit. I'd take it as a badge of honor to be dressed down by SSAM. I see the t-shirts now: "I survived Seismic Sam and all I got was this lousy t-shirt."

[Seismic Sam]

[quote="rugershooter6823"]I have 100 rds 45 acp. 230 gr fmjrn montana gold. 5.6grn 231 or 6.25 gr n340. Win primers. No clue of value make me an offer. Apple valley area.

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So we have the original post, offering to sell a box of loaded, mixed power ammo if you read between the lines and have the right reloading manual, with no particular caveat that this was being offered as breakdown ammo. If there had been such a caution, then this would have all been a non-issue, and somebody with a clear green or blue plastic mallet would have already bought the stuff.

And now on page 3, after I get the coals all hot and the noob sauce ready, plus a few blow- darts from the hostile pygmies that hang around outside the West End of the Broadway Bridge; we get this very interesting revelation:

"It has nothing to do with a ammo famine. I don't have a 45 nor do i load them. I know there are people out there that will break them down and reload to their standards. I know not to shoot someone else's reloads. I wont even shoot my dads. But if some one was selling some at a decent price i would buy them and break them down. And properly dispose of the powder and them load them myself. "

So he DOESN'T reload 45's at all, and doesn't have a 45, so this is stuff he picked up from God only know where, and he's offering it gor sale to ANYBODY, with no warning about it being breakdown ammo, and doesn't see what the significance of their being an ammo famine on to his offering to sell mystery loaded ammo to anybody that wants to buy it?? Oh, and he knows not to shoot someone else's reloads, but is offering a third party's reloads for sale himself?? Were you just assuming that some desperate rookie who wanted ammo would ALSO know enough not to buy reloads??

Curiouser amd Curiouser, thought Alice...