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Re: should we be worried

Postby NMRMN on Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:22 pm

"The Southern Poverty Law Center is dedicated to fighting hate and bigotry, and to seeking justice for the most vulnerable members of our society."
www.splcenter.org wrote:The Southern Poverty Law Center identified 1274 anti-government “Patriot” groups that were active in 2011. ...Listing here does not imply that the groups themselves advocate or engage in violence or other criminal activities, or are racist.

Mike Vanderboegh wrote:...The language used -- "anti-government 'patriot' groups" -- is itself a lie.
...It is their ultimate weapon, when out-argued, to cry racism and point fingers.

I think this pretty much explains what's really going on. So in answer to the OP's question: Because the SPLC has considerable influence on public policy and LE organizations, if you value your constitutional rights, and in particular your first amendment right to free speech, yes - you should worry.
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Re: should we be worried

Postby mn4wheeler on Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:58 pm

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jshuberg wrote:DHS considers "sovereign citizens" to currently be the greatest terrorist threat to the US, and have been focussing most of their resources on these groups for some time.

Yeah, the sovereign citizens basically make their own rules and dont pay taxes AFAIK. They are already criminals. Interesting that they get labeled "Patriots".

Besides being pro 2A, or a patriot, here are some other things you shouldn't do.

PS Stylin750:

You're definitely on "the list". ;-)



according to the list of things you shouldn't do...if you are into social media you are on the list. and if you DON'T have a facebook account you are on the list...

screwed if you do and screwed if you don't...
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Re: should we be worried

Postby XDM45 on Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:31 pm

jshuberg wrote:DHS considers "sovereign citizens" to currently be the greatest terrorist threat to the US, and have been focussing most of their resources on these groups for some time.


FYI, DHS (Department of Homeland Security) is not so much an agency in and of itself as it is a collection of other agencies within it. OPM, TSA, CIS (formerly INS), and many others, are part of what is considered to be under the DHS umbrella, so saying the statement above which you said, is pretty broad. Realize that just as there are people against us, there are people for us too, and that holds true in EVERY agency, in EVERY part of society. Some cops like civilians to have and carry guns legally, others do not. Just an example, but be careful with sweeping statements since some of those people may be our allies and not our enemies. Some people are "good" and some are "bad", however you wish to define that for yourself.

When I had a federal agent from OPM (Office of Personnel Management) at my house for a federal background check for my last job; after she interviewed with my wife, we had a great discussion about firearms, carrying, etc. (I had my interview with her at work, she had the one with my wife in our home.) She was and is pretty pro-2A, so realize that they aren't all bad, but know they aren't all good either. In the end, they are people just like everyone else.

Do some people go all Himmler and go full-on-ja-vohl-nazi power-tripping and abusing others when they are "the law", work for so and so, etc? Yes, of course, but again, not everyone is like that. It's not fair to make it sound like it is.

My wife's step-mother married a man (now deceased) who I got to know pretty well. He was articulate, spoke and wrote 7 languages fluently, and was in Germany during WWII (He wasn't just just in Europe, but in Germany proper for several years during the war.) Unless one has been there, you can't really understand it. I tried, but any such knowledge I have of living under nazi rule will always be second-hand. I've known other WWII survivors, like my own father, but never before had I met someone who lived in Germany during that time. He had some unique insights which no one else has ever shared with me because they don't have that experience of being in Germany during that time.

From my limited understanding, I can say this, America isn't even close to become such a police state; BUT that's largely because we have WWII, our own nation's history priorr to that, our armaments of individuals, our rights and freedoms, all of which we defend with vigilance; so keep up the good work, but let's not become our own enemy with paranoia. Such a thing can quickly discredit us as much as it does to Alex Jones or Piers Morgan.

We will stop anything from happening long before they are rounding us up, tossing babies into bonfires, and herding us to the box cars to go to the camps.

Be vigilant, but don't be paranoid.
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Re: should we be worried

Postby DoxaPar on Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:33 pm

Insert comment here regarding the consolidation of power.
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Re: should we be worried

Postby LarryP on Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:57 pm

Obama can't create a good economy, but he sure can help groups & clubs grow!
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Re: should we be worried

Postby NMRMN on Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:04 pm

J. Richard Cohen wrote:Dear General Holder and Secretary Napolitano:
...As in the period before the Oklahoma City bombing, we now also are seeing ominous threats from those who believe that the government is poised to take their guns. Because of the looming dangers, we urge you to establish an interagency task force to assess the adequacy of the resources devoted to responding to the growing threat of non-Islamic domestic terrorism.

http://www.splcenter.org/home/splc-letter-to-DOJ-DHS%20
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Re: should we be worried

Postby NMRMN on Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:08 pm

Maybe "poised to believe gov is taking their guns", becuase the gov is poised to take their guns?
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Re: should we be worried

Postby XDM45 on Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:24 pm

NMRMN wrote:Maybe "poised to believe gov is taking their guns", becuase the gov is poised to take their guns?


Out of my cold, dead hands.
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Re: should we be worried

Postby NMRMN on Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:32 pm

XDM45 wrote:
NMRMN wrote:Maybe "poised to believe gov is taking their guns", becuase the gov is poised to take their guns?

Out of my cold, dead hands.

I must admit, there is a distinction between proposing legislation to ban the sale and transfer of certain guns and accessories and outright confiscation. But for comparison's sake, if the proposal were to eliminate the sale and transfer of "social media software", wouldn't everyone be equally and justifiably concerned about 1st amendment rights? better comparison: the end quarter of your tongue and your middle fingers!

Regardless, confiscation is in fact being discussed:

...in Iowa
...in Missouri
...in New York
...ohh, and duh, here in Minnesota
...Alabama
...California
...Providence, Rhode Island

and has occurred in:

...Louisiana (Katrina)
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Re: should we be worried

Postby XDM45 on Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:37 pm

NMRMN wrote:
XDM45 wrote:
NMRMN wrote:Maybe "poised to believe gov is taking their guns", becuase the gov is poised to take their guns?

Out of my cold, dead hands.

I must admit, there is a distinction between proposing legislation to ban the sale and transfer of certain guns and accessories and outright confiscation. But for comparison's sake, if the proposal were to eliminate the sale and transfer of "social media software", wouldn't everyone be equally and justifiably concerned about 1st amendment rights?


Yes and no.

See, if the servers were hosted INSIDE the US, then yes, but if not, then no, because the data is actually outside of the US and thus 1st amendment doesn't apply. That's kind of a sticky wicket because the Internet crosses borders and bounderies of countries. Once you leave the US, you have zero rights under our laws unless you're on US soil, which outside of the US is only in a US Diplomat's car, in the US Embassy, or on a US Military Base.
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Re: should we be worried

Postby NMRMN on Fri Mar 08, 2013 4:02 pm

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Re: should we be worried

Postby XDM45 on Fri Mar 08, 2013 4:04 pm

NMRMN wrote:Image


NO!!

Come get them :)
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Re: should we be worried

Postby NMRMN on Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:13 pm

patriot = racist and likely terrorist

Gun Rights. Terrorists. Gun Ban. Confiscation. Imprisonment. Police State. Connect the Dots.

Mr. Ed wrote:Most of the militia groups named by the SPLC report claim that they are not hate groups, and are only practicing their constitutional rights... But all it takes is one person to create another Oklahoma bombing situation!

In conclusion, if we can "save one life", and "prevent only one person"… SCREW THE CONSTITUTION!
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Re: should we be worried

Postby jspace on Sat Mar 09, 2013 12:49 pm

NMRMN wrote:Maybe "poised to believe gov is taking their guns", becuase the gov is poised to take their guns?

I read up to "Mr. Obama."
Once I hear or read that, anything the journalist says afterwards is immediately crap. If they can't use proper titles, why the **** are they even reporting?
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Re: should we be worried

Postby NMRMN on Sun Mar 10, 2013 3:19 pm

Peril from 'patriots': The U.S. needs to keep a close watch on the growing threat of home-grown extremist groups.
unsigned editorialist wrote:They're not jihadists. They are white, right-wing Americans, nearly all with an obsessive attachment to guns, who may represent a greater danger to the lives of American civilians than international terrorists.
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