Robbing permit holders: bad idea, or fatal idea?

[Heffay]

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/21993610/ ... rman-store

Looks like fatal!

Investigators say Desmond Paige, 20, tried to rob a man using Craigslist. The would-be victim brought his gun to the sale just in case.

The man with the CHL was shot in the arm and the hand by the robber, but Paige was shot multiple times in the chest.

Paige died at the scene.

[brad3579]

Another criminal with an illegal gun.
"Paige was recently released from prison after serving time for a violent crime and was on parole"

[Need4Speed]

Me thinks it's time for me to get my PTC.

With all the gun purchases in the news you would think these criminals would get the idea that it's no longer business as usual. This one learned the hard way.

[greenfarmer]

Doesn't matter what really happened, you always hate to hear of someone losing their life.(even criminals) But this is the exact reason why nobody should ever threaten to take away our second amendment rights! This is an example of a criminal with an illegal gun that the governments gun control laws they already have didn't stop from happening. So why continue to make more laws that don't deter criminals from having an illegal gun. Without a carry permit, the victim could have possibly lost his life in what would seem to be an innocent transaction. Let's hope that Fienstein doesn't somehow twist this up for her agenda.

Hope the victims hand heals fast.

[GunClasses.Net]

Be prepared for multiple attackers as well. Stats I'm hearing are that roughly 50% of urban assaults by strangers and robberies are now committed by multiple persons. Flash mobs are a new fad, too. What does this mean? This means while you're dealing with the threat that's cocky and confident in front of you, you have a 50/50 chance that others are lurking at your four, your six, or your eight o'clock; available to grab you by the waist to take you down to the ground, NFL-style. So, what's that bulge he feels under your jacket on your strong-side hip? Oh yeah... that thing... (and, if it does 'get physical', that garment providing concealment will often no longer do that and may visually advertise the availability of your otherwise-concealed gun to additional attackers).

Not saying to not carry; just saying to carry as part of a complete preparation, and keep moving while always always always maintaining awareness of your surroundings before during and after engagement.

Another lesson to learn from this story is: never stop fighting. The permit holder took a few rounds, but that didn't prevent him from defending himself to stop the threat. Is your practice live fire and dry fire realistic enough to ingrain this response so that under stress, you will endure?

[GunClasses.Net]

Me thinks it's time for me to get my PTC.

With all the gun purchases in the news you would think these criminals would get the idea that it's no longer business as usual. This one learned the hard way.

Criminals indeed have started to change their tactics to anticipate that the person they rob may be armed. They now work harder to gain the element of surprise, they more often now work in teams. And, the smart ones today are planning and coordinating their attacks, assuming the victim has a gun. 1:47 Minnesotans has a permit to carry. There are 606 permit holders per square mile in Hennepin County. As criminals react with updates to their tactics, that necessitates permit holders to update their own.

Check out Krav Maga. If you're in the Twin Cities: http://www.kravmagampls.com/ and tell Gail or Dante I sent you for a free introductory class. Ask them about what their law enforcement students are telling them about what happens in the real world, today. Getting ahead of the curve means not playing catch up; playing catch up in self defense is failure. Failure in self defense may be suicidal. Get proper and complete training.

Starting April 28th, we will conduct a series of permit to carry classes at the IKMF gym in Minneapolis. The director of the IKMF for MN will participate in the training, and other Krav Maga Law Enforcement-certified instructors will, as well. On May 12th and 19th we will also do this. Come see what it's about. Tution is only $69 for the 8 hour permit w/Krav Maga course.

[photogpat]

Background checks would have stopped the victim from obtaining a gun.

[Exjay]

This is why I usually never go to buy **** off cl alone.

[xd ED]

This is why I usually never go to buy **** off cl alone.

This is why I usually never go to buy **** off cl alone.

[John S.]

Doesn't matter what really happened, you always hate to hear of someone losing their life.(even criminals) But this is the exact reason why nobody should ever threaten to take away our second amendment rights! This is an example of a criminal with an illegal gun that the governments gun control laws they already have didn't stop from happening. So why continue to make more laws that don't deter criminals from having an illegal gun. Without a carry permit, the victim could have possibly lost his life in what would seem to be an innocent transaction. Let's hope that Fienstein doesn't somehow twist this up for her agenda.

Hope the victims hand heals fast.

I actually laugh my a$$ off! Dumb a$$es

[GunClasses.Net]

Doesn't matter what really happened, you always hate to hear of someone losing their life.(even criminals) But this is the exact reason why nobody should ever threaten to take away our second amendment rights! This is an example of a criminal with an illegal gun that the governments gun control laws they already have didn't stop from happening. So why continue to make more laws that don't deter criminals from having an illegal gun. Without a carry permit, the victim could have possibly lost his life in what would seem to be an innocent transaction. Let's hope that Fienstein doesn't somehow twist this up for her agenda.

Hope the victims hand heals fast.

I actually laugh my a$$ off! Dumb a$$es

I can think of a couple good reasons that comment is very 'unfortunate'.

Not everyone gets off on the right foot in life. If you think everybody gets the same values programmed into them, you must think our schools and institutions of family and faith all do an equal job raising youth, but I have yet to find anyone who believes such. This in no way removes the responsibility of an adult to think for himself and take responsibility for his own actions. It does however account for that person's likelihood to do so. In light of that, any death is still a tragedy. A life God gave was wasted, and I'm sure the dead man's creator finds no humor in that. Neither do those close to him who cared and who tried to be a positive influence on him, who tried to instill good thinking and good values in him, who saw potential in him and tried to turn him around, only to find it ended like this.

From another perspective, as gun owners, we want the non-gun public to respect us and be sensitive to protecting our rights. Yet, laughing at a death portrays us as the insensitive ones. Please be aware that there are what we call "Bloomberg shills" lurking in the comments of gun blogs and forums at present. It has been going on since before the election, and at first it seemed like fun because they got a lively discussion going. But as more and more of them have come in, we have begun to realize that the anti-gunners have a plan, and that plan is to make gun people look foolish, heartless, and separate from the values of mainstream America. Comments like the above are fodder for those who want to discredit us. For that reason, it's important to not give that comment further attention, assuming the moderator lets it stand.

[Heffay]

Doesn't matter what really happened, you always hate to hear of someone losing their life.(even criminals) But this is the exact reason why nobody should ever threaten to take away our second amendment rights! This is an example of a criminal with an illegal gun that the governments gun control laws they already have didn't stop from happening. So why continue to make more laws that don't deter criminals from having an illegal gun. Without a carry permit, the victim could have possibly lost his life in what would seem to be an innocent transaction. Let's hope that Fienstein doesn't somehow twist this up for her agenda.

Hope the victims hand heals fast.

I actually laugh my a$$ off! Dumb a$$es

I can think of a couple good reasons that comment is very 'unfortunate'.

Not everyone gets off on the right foot in life. If you think everybody gets the same values programmed into them, you must think our schools and institutions of family and faith all do an equal job raising youth, but I have yet to find anyone who believes such. This in no way removes the responsibility of an adult to think for himself and take responsibility for his own actions. It does however account for that person's likelihood to do so. In light of that, any death is still a tragedy. A life God gave was wasted, and I'm sure the dead man's creator finds no humor in that. Neither do those close to him who cared and who tried to be a positive influence on him, who tried to instill good thinking and good values in him, who saw potential in him and tried to turn him around, only to find it ended like this.

From another perspective, as gun owners, we want the non-gun public to respect us and be sensitive to protecting our rights. Yet, laughing at a death portrays us as the insensitive ones. Please be aware that there are what we call "Bloomberg shills" lurking in the comments of gun blogs and forums at present. It has been going on since before the election, and at first it seemed like fun because they got a lively discussion going. But as more and more of them have come in, we have begun to realize that the anti-gunners have a plan, and that plan is to make gun people look foolish, heartless, and separate from the values of mainstream America. For that reason, it's important to not give that comment further attention, assuming the moderator lets it stand.

This times 1000x. Minus the Bloomberg shill part... that's a bit tinfoil hattish.

[GunClasses.Net]

This times 1000x. Minus the Bloomberg shill part... that's a bit tinfoil hattish.

Ok, well, I've always wondered what to best do with my ball of tinfoil collection...

Seriously, though, if those who hate guns aren't already in our forums searching out things they can spotlight to the public as examples of what kind of people we are, they will be. Every comment made is permanent, probably archived on multiple servers, and permanently tied directly to both you and to the forum to which you posted it. The words we choose represent us, our mindset, and our intent. They also represent our associations. Whatever you write on the internet today will be there to be spotlighted later; weeks, months, or perhaps years later. For John S, it may be too late to 'take it back'.

This is why as a training issue, we need to talk about how we can be portrayed in court. Planning your defense through the real-world ramifications of taking a life before strapping a gun on your hip is very important. My concern is that investigators are very good and internet searches can be very sophisticated. A tinfoil hat level of caution can sometimes not be such a bad thing. Having self-documented that we find causing a death entertaining may not be particularly helpful to us in a criminal case or in a civil suit following a self-defense incident.