Fingerprint safe

View · by **codilly** on Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:14 pm

Looking for a reasonably priced reliable fingerprint handgun safe, doesn't need a fire rating at all. It is pretty much just for keeping it out of children's hands and easy access to the person who's hands it is supposed to be in. Thanks in advance!

View · by **XDM45** on Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:46 pm

codilly wrote:Looking for a reasonably priced reliable fingerprint handgun safe, doesn't need a fire rating at all. It is pretty much just for keeping it out of children's hands and easy access to the person who's hands it is supposed to be in. Thanks in advance!

I worked in biometric security and am in fact going back into it. Fingerprint readers can easily be fooled. I can take some gel, lift your print off a glass you drank from, then use that to fool the fingerprint reader. The fingerprint readers I've seen on gun safes are pretty much a joke. If you want REAL biometric security, you need multi-factor authentication, i.e. - Something the user HAS (fingerprint, iris scan, etc) and something the user KNOWS (password). Hands-down though, iris scans are much more secure than fingerprints are, and I haven't seen those offered in any gun safes as of yet.

View · by **bstrawse** on Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:05 pm

^^ what he said.

I have a combo safe that I keep the nightstand gun in. The one with the 4 fingers up top from Gunvault. Link below is the one I believe I have....

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/prod ... nic+Keypad

View · by **Mn01r6** on Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:22 pm

XDM45 wrote:
codilly wrote: It is pretty much just for keeping it out of children's hands

I worked in biometric security and am in fact going back into it. Fingerprint readers can easily be fooled. I can take some gel, lift your print off a glass you drank from, then use that to fool the fingerprint reader. The fingerprint readers I've seen on gun safes are pretty much a joke. If you want REAL biometric security, you need multi-factor authentication, i.e. - Something the user HAS (fingerprint, iris scan, etc) and something the user KNOWS (password). Hands-down though, iris scans are much more secure than fingerprints are, and I haven't seen those offered in any gun safes as of yet.

I think that is a bit much. I have small kids and have the same motivation, but I don't know that I trust that crappy fingerprint scanner to work when I need it to.

View · by **20mm** on Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:39 pm

I have a finger print safe... and I use a key code.

View · by **codilly** on Mon Jun 10, 2013 9:09 pm

I don't think a 2 year old is going to make fake finger prints to open the safe, this is not for theft protection.

Thanks for the link on the safe I will check it out.

View · by **XDM45** on Mon Jun 10, 2013 9:29 pm

codilly wrote:I don't think a 2 year old is going to make fake finger prints to open the safe, this is not for theft protection.

Thanks for the link on the safe I will check it out.

So you want "security theater" vs real security. Got it. It will make you feel better and probably provide the minimal security, but for me, I'd rather do the real deal. To each their own.

View · by **MNGunGuy** on Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:06 pm

bstrawse wrote:^^ what he said.

I have a combo safe that I keep the nightstand gun in. The one with the 4 fingers up top from Gunvault. Link below is the one I believe I have....

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/prod ... nic+Keypad

The problem with that safe and most any of the smaller safes like it is you can "crack" it in about 10 seconds with a paper clip. With that particular safe you peal up the plastic push pad and there's a hole that gets you access to the mechanism itself. Or something like that.. YouTube it. A defeat that well known in this day and age makes the safe unsafe to anyone with the ability to use google.

The same company makes a fingerprint scanner small safe. For that you simply push HARD down on the pad reader, it pops down then you have access to the locking mechanisism with a paper clip.

View · by **XDM45** on Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:07 pm

MNGunGuy wrote:
bstrawse wrote:^^ what he said.

I have a combo safe that I keep the nightstand gun in. The one with the 4 fingers up top from Gunvault. Link below is the one I believe I have....

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/prod ... nic+Keypad

The problem with that safe and most any of the smaller safes like it is you can "crack" it in about 10 seconds with a paper clip. With that particular safe you peal up the plastic push pad and there's a hole that gets you access to the mechanism itself. Or something like that.. YouTube it. A defeat that well known in this day and age makes the safe unsafe to anyone with the ability to use google.

The same company makes a fingerprint scanner small safe. For that you simply push HARD down on the pad reader, it pops down then you have access to the locking mechanisism with a paper clip.

Yeah, but he'll FEEL safer

Take off your shoes, dump your water, you'll be safer too.

View · by **MNGunGuy** on Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:09 pm

XDM45 wrote:So you want "security theater" vs real security. Got it. It will make you feel better and probably provide the minimal security, but for me, I'd rather do the real deal. To each their own.

I feel the same way about carrying an empty handgun that's there to save my life. Sure it gives you a feel good factor knowing its there but it's not exactly the best idea now is it. Maybe the bad guy will have to load as well though.

View · by **XDM45** on Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:13 pm

MNGunGuy wrote:
XDM45 wrote:So you want "security theater" vs real security. Got it. It will make you feel better and probably provide the minimal security, but for me, I'd rather do the real deal. To each their own.

I feel the same way about carrying an empty handgun that's there to save my life. Sure it gives you a feel good factor knowing its there but it's not exactly the best idea now is it. Maybe the bad guy will have to load as well though.

Fingerprint readers aren't prone to setback. .45ACP rounds are.

View · by **grousemaster** on Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:15 pm

XDM45 wrote:
codilly wrote:Looking for a reasonably priced reliable fingerprint handgun safe, doesn't need a fire rating at all. It is pretty much just for keeping it out of children's hands and easy access to the person who's hands it is supposed to be in. Thanks in advance!

I worked in biometric security and am in fact going back into it. Fingerprint readers can easily be fooled. I can take some gel, lift your print off a glass you drank from, then use that to fool the fingerprint reader. The fingerprint readers I've seen on gun safes are pretty much a joke. If you want REAL biometric security, you need multi-factor authentication, i.e. - Something the user HAS (fingerprint, iris scan, etc) and something the user KNOWS (password). Hands-down though, iris scans are much more secure than fingerprints are, and I haven't seen those offered in any gun safes as of yet.

If someone wanted the gun that bad and had access to it, they could just steal the whole safe and open it later....or take a damn pry bar to it I'd imagine....

View · by **XDM45** on Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:26 pm

grousemaster wrote:
XDM45 wrote:
codilly wrote:Looking for a reasonably priced reliable fingerprint handgun safe, doesn't need a fire rating at all. It is pretty much just for keeping it out of children's hands and easy access to the person who's hands it is supposed to be in. Thanks in advance!

I worked in biometric security and am in fact going back into it. Fingerprint readers can easily be fooled. I can take some gel, lift your print off a glass you drank from, then use that to fool the fingerprint reader. The fingerprint readers I've seen on gun safes are pretty much a joke. If you want REAL biometric security, you need multi-factor authentication, i.e. - Something the user HAS (fingerprint, iris scan, etc) and something the user KNOWS (password). Hands-down though, iris scans are much more secure than fingerprints are, and I haven't seen those offered in any gun safes as of yet.

If someone wanted the gun that bad and had access to it, they could just steal the whole safe and open it later....or take a damn pry bar to it I'd imagine....

True that. Nothing is 100%. It's a matter of how many layers of security you have. Physical is one such layer.

View · by **DoxaPar** on Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:28 pm

Pretty much what grouse said.

Besides, he probably wants it safe from small kids, not would-be bank robbers.

Rule #1 of security - you only need as much security as you need.

View · by **XDM45** on Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:31 pm

DoxaPar wrote:Pretty much what grouse said.

Besides, he probably wants it safe from small kids, not would-be bank robbers.

Rule #1 of security - you only need as much security as you need.

Doxpar, I know you are in IT, so you're aware of the principle of least privilege, which applies to the world of IT, but do you think applies here? For guns?