medical marijuana split from Ortman

[LePetomane]

Would those hippies be George Washington and Thomas Jefferson because the were both hemp farmers I think you've seen reefer madness one to many times you know pot was deemed illegal because they said black men used it to get I'n bed with white woman the constitution is hemp based for Christ sake

I never saw Reefer Madness. And here we go, bringing race into the discussion. It was only a matter of time.

[Nougat]

aren't the normal pain meds they give out more habit forming and physically addictive opiate derived and synthetic both?

[MWAG]

I never saw Reefer Madness. And here we go, bringing race into the discussion. It was only a matter of time.

Posting in this thread before Godwin's Law is invoked

[Mn01r6]

Unless you are a teetotaler you need to explain your stance on keeping marijuana illegal while permitting alcohol consumption LePeromane.

I am a teetotaler for health reasons. I have enough going on with my health issues without having to worry about the detrimental effects of alcohol.

I feel there is a difference between the pot smokers and alcohol consumers as not all people who consume alcohol do so to get intoxicated whereas all who smoke pot do it for the buzz.

So do you advocate throwing people in jail and charging them with felonies for drinking to excess in the privacy of their own homes to keep the arguments logically consistent or is it just a case of the devil you know vs the one you don't?

If people drink for a reason other than to get buzzed, O'douls would be all we need! The fact is you mislead yourself about why we drink.
I am also a teetotaler, but for genetic reasons.

[coltpython123]

Would those hippies be George Washington and Thomas Jefferson because the were both hemp farmers I think you've seen reefer madness one to many times you know pot was deemed illegal because they said black men used it to get I'n bed with white woman the constitution is hemp based for Christ sake

I never saw Reefer Madness. And here we go, bringing race into the discussion. It was only a matter of time.

its not about bringing race into the discussion its about the idiotic reasoning of why its banned in the first place, besides the pot smokers lots of things can be done with the cannabis plant some of which are fabrics, papers, fuels and stomach cancer patients swear by it there are much worse legally prescribed drugs out there than marijuana zanex percacet oxycodone to name a few that are highly addictive and turn your liver into mush id much rather take my chances with a product from nature than something that scientist produce in a lab. look at all the shootings that have happened lately all kids doped up on psycho psychotic drugs legally prescribed i dont know about you but a person high on weed is probably the least terrifying thing in my eyes the only thing they might do is budge in front of you at the fast food line.

[Spartan]

Again we have serious constitutional threat pending .... I fail to see why you are whining about trivial **** !!!!!

It's easy to see how the power brokering politicians destroy you people .... get them to obsess about minutia like .... we will destroy the economy ... they will fight about abortion ....... we will wage illegal wars in the middle east no one will care because they are obsessed with gay marriage and medical pot .....

wake the hell up and get off your little pony ..... we have a major threat to freedom and you F***ers are whining about pot .... shut the hell up and go else where to whine ..... it's time to unite not divide.....

[Spartan]

I am willing to take my suspension ..... please note I am trying to unify the Gun owners and supports of the constitution ..... this liberal crap chaps my backside

[coltpython123]

Again we have serious constitutional threat pending .... I fail to see why you are whining about trivial **** !!!!!

It's easy to see how the power brokering politicians destroy you people .... get them to obsess about minutia like .... we will destroy the economy ... they will fight about abortion ....... we will wage illegal wars in the middle east no one will care because they are obsessed with gay marriage and medical pot .....

wake the hell up and get off your little pony ..... we have a major threat to freedom and you F***ers are whining about pot .... shut the hell up and go else where to whine ..... it's time to unite not divide.....

if you dont like the conversation then stay the **** out of it.

[infidel]

Medical marijuana has a legitimate place in society. From treating glaucoma, seizures, chronic pain, eating disorders and more, marijuana has been proven to be more effective and safer than other patented and fda approved narcotics. Why deny anyone the right to proper medicine? http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/07/health/ch ... marijuana/

[LePetomane]

Am I reading this right? Marijuana is not addictive, it has a better safety profile than the anti-convulsant or glaucoma drugs, and does not have the chronic lung effects that cigarettes do. What people have to realize is that conventional treatment for these chronic conditions is not without side effects.

What I find ironic is the that the pro marijuana people I know are the most vehement anti cigarette folks that I know. Isn't about personal freedoms??? That tells me that getting high is their top priority.

[Mn01r6]

Stop the straw man B-S. There are many delivery methods for weed. There are pain killers many times more addictive that you are fine with. Why do you feel the government has the right to tell you want you and your doctor decide to put in your body?

[LePetomane]

Stop the straw man B-S. There are many delivery methods for weed. There are pain killers many times more addictive that you are fine with. Why do you feel the government has the right to tell you want you and your doctor decide to put in your body?

I don't appreciate your name calling. I have my opinions and you have yours. Instead of bashing mine why don't you present something constructive. You are typical of those who don't tolerate any opinion other than your own.

For your information I have been living with a chronic intermittent painful GI condition since my teen years and have done just fine without pot or other addictive substances.

[Mn01r6]

Stop the straw man B-S. There are many delivery methods for weed. There are pain killers many times more addictive that you are fine with. Why do you feel the government has the right to tell you want you and your doctor decide to put in your body?

I don't appreciate your name calling. I have my opinions and you have yours. Instead of bashing mine why don't you present something constructive. You are typical of those who don't tolerate any opinion other than your own.

For your information I have been living with a chronic intermittent painful GI condition since my teen years and have done just fine without pot or other addictive substances.

1. I am pretty sure I didn't call you a name. Please let me know where I did.
2. Your condition and your ability to cope with or without drugs has nothing to do with whether other people should be allowed to choose for themselves, with their doctor, what medicines to take, or if the government somehow belongs in the doctor-patient relationship. It would be the same as the government forcing you to take OxyContin because they feel you will be a more productive member of society on it instead of just "coping" drug free with your GI condition. Sound fun to you?
3. I tolerate other opinions, based on facts and logical reasoning, just fine. I do not tolerate opinions from emotion or opinions based on objectively false premises, and neither should you.
4. I have a very selfish reason for wanting pot legal: I want to stop paying for the war on drugs with my taxes. I also have a very selfish reason for wanting medical pot legal: I want the government out of my private business - all aspects of it. And you should too!

[Sietch]

Legalization of marijuana for medicinal purposes has nothing to do with medical use. It is an selfish attempt by the potheads and hippies to legalize it for their own recreational use.

Paint with broad strokes much? Let's take these one by one and straighten this out like adults.

If the medical community were the ones advocating for legalization I would be a little more receptive.

Do you know who prescribes cannabis in the 17 states where doctors can prescribe cannabis? Doctors, that's who, i.e. "the medical community".
Whole states full of doctors.
Do you suppose it's because they're in cahoots with the "potheads and hippies" in a grand conspiracy to piss you off, or because they believe it's what is best for their patients?

The other issue is who will determine what it is used for[?]

How about physicians? You know, the folks who currently, as ever, prescribe treatments for their patients. I'm curious as to who else you imagine ought to be making such decisions. You?

You liberals are awfully quick to insist that your personal values guide the course of other people's private affairs, but consider how you would feel if a stranger (like you are to cannabis-using patients) injected himself into your abortion decision. Wouldn't be too thrilled, I bet.

It is unfortunate that with two major medical facilities in this state that people still resort to the use of illegal substances for alleviation of pain.

Read and consider the following carefully:
1. People still, as ever, "resort" to whatever medicine they need to treat their ailments. The legislation providing for medical use of cannabis—which you brought up, and which you inform us is secretly intended to provide for recreational use, despite the language of the bills (again: are the Senate and "potheads and hippies" in cahoots to piss you off?)—aim to make that possible.
2. Although there are only "two major medical facilities" in MN, what that has to do with the medical use of cannabis I can't figure out. Also, are you sure about that figure?

I feel there is a difference between the pot smokers and alcohol consumers as not all people who consume alcohol do so to get intoxicated whereas all who smoke pot do it for the buzz.

Says LePetomane, but others disagree. Millions of others. You don't know them any more than they know you.

If other persons' private decisions don't infringe upon your rights, then maybe you should back off and mind your own business, just as they don't tag along to your visits with your doctor and insist that you clear all decisions with them.

What I find ironic is the that the pro marijuana people I know are the most vehement anti cigarette folks that I know. . .That tells me that getting high is their top priority.

LePetomane, who advocates for the right carry concealed pistols in public, is the most vehement anti-carrying of Zweihänders in public person I know. That tells me that he doesn't really care about self defense; he just wants to get a gun into the Capitol to shoot a legislator.

See a pattern?
ETA: BTW: So, you'd find their argument more compelling if they also touted the medicinal value of...smoking tobacco? Please explain.

For your information I have been living with a chronic intermittent painful GI condition since my teen years and have done just fine without pot or other addictive substances.

Good for you. It's possible, however, that several of the ~7 billion other people on the planet have different needs than you that are unique to their individual situations.

Again, refer to the above: If other persons' private decisions don't infringe upon your rights, then maybe you should back off and mind your own business.

I know several people suffering chronic pain who are sick of opioids, and had to move to other states to get the medicine they need. They liked where they were living and it's a shame that their treatment was illegal there. The stress of moving wasn't high on their list of priorities given their health problems. So, to say that they moved across the country "just to get high" is remarkably stupid.

[LePetomane]

Again, refer to the above: If other persons' private decisions don't infringe upon your rights, then maybe you should back off and mind your own business.

I'm stating my opinions and observations as you are stating yours. Why don't you back off and mind your own business, too.