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Re: Betsy

Postby Randygmn on Mon Nov 10, 2014 6:37 am

LarryP wrote:Why is he allowed to have a face book page??????


Why wouldn't he be allowed? (Full disclosure though- I hate FB myself and do not participate).
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Re: Betsy

Postby LarryP on Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:30 pm

I think a convicted felon on parole shouldn't be able to use facebook. Look what happened.
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Postby jshuberg on Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:39 pm

I could see that if they were convicted of a computer related crime, but not all felons are created equal, and so which rights/liberties they are denied while on parole should be custom tailored.

For example, someone convicted of felony tax evasion shouldn't necessarily lose their firearms rights.
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Re: Betsy

Postby Grayskies on Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:03 pm

I am kind of in favor of them having a facebook page, it can add depth to a story or person.

If you remember, the facebook page connected with the person shot by a permit holder at Cub in south Minneapolis after robbing and battering an older woman. The facebook page helped confer with greater detail how the person that was shot was turning his life around and becoming a better person, and how they worked as a family to attempt to raise themselves out of poverty.

The news stories did not paint that family in anywhere near the same light.
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Postby goett047 on Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:17 am

This is a BS story. It really shows the ignorance and bigotry of some of you. If you don't like her find something legitimate to criticise her on, God knows theres plenty to find.
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Postby xd ED on Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:33 am

goett047 wrote:This is a BS story. It really shows the ignorance and bigotry of some of you. If you don't like her find something legitimate to criticise her on, God knows theres plenty to find.


What exactly is BS?
The guy's criminal past?
The mayor's hand gesture; one that signifies pointing a handgun, and which, had her kids done it in school, would get them expelled?
Granted the reporer involved is one who needs to stumble over news to have a story to tell.
But the facts of the matter are what they are.
As to what is or isn't legitimate critesizem, I guess we have differing opinions.
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Re: Betsy

Postby LarryP on Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:38 am

Maybe his parole officer should be watching his face book page. Posting pics flashing gang signs shouldn't be allowed.
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Postby goett047 on Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:40 am

She was pointing.
I didn't realize it was incumbent upon every public figure to do a background check on every person they take a picture with.
Expelling kids for silly things like that is absurd and is something we should be working to change, not using as a backstop for petty criticism of a liberal mayor.
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Postby xd ED on Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:30 pm

I'm guessing most people in similar positions are informed enough to know who's who at Their various photo ops.
If asked( and it wasn't her kid, I don't doubt her hounner would support the zero tolerance policies that get kids kicked out of school for such acts.
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Re: Betsy

Postby LarryP on Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:30 pm

Maybe Betsy and the felon are trying to turn their life around. :?:
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Re: Re: Betsy

Postby goett047 on Tue Nov 11, 2014 4:04 pm

xd ED wrote:I'm guessing most people in similar positions are informed enough to know who's who at Their various photo ops.
If asked( and it wasn't her kid, I don't doubt her hounner would support the zero tolerance policies that get kids kicked out of school for such acts.

So 100% sure thing they both knew it was a gang sign (it's not) and she KNEW he was a felon who has gang affiliations (he doesn't, best I can tell) . I'm sure this has nothing to do with him being black and the PD disliking the mayor.

Intentions matter.

An aside. If he is affiliated with a gang, couldn't that somehow constitute a violation of his probation? Why isn't he fired and in jail.....

This BS is a smear piece handed to a ******* reporter by a police department that doesn't like their mayor.
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Re: Betsy

Postby 20mm on Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:43 pm

jshuberg wrote:I could see that if they were convicted of a computer related crime, but not all felons are created equal, and so which rights/liberties they are denied while on parole should be custom tailored.

For example, someone convicted of felony tax evasion shouldn't necessarily lose their firearms rights.


The ATF would disagree with you on that.
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Re: Betsy

Postby Grayskies on Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:08 pm

20mm wrote:
jshuberg wrote:I could see that if they were convicted of a computer related crime, but not all felons are created equal, and so which rights/liberties they are denied while on parole should be custom tailored.

For example, someone convicted of felony tax evasion shouldn't necessarily lose their firearms rights.


The ATF would disagree with you on that.

I think what he was getting at was, should non-violent felons lose their 2nd amendment rights? Considering how easy it is becomming to pick up a felony (with washingtons new law handing firearms to your friend twice is one) it is a good question.
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Postby TaTaToothy on Sat Nov 15, 2014 7:52 pm

Whatever one thinks of Mayor Hodges, this is a non-story and would never have arisen but for KSTP's hunger for sweeps ratings and John Delmonico's haste to tar and feather her for daring to say that there is room for improvement in the MPD (a department that has paid more than $10M to resolve civil rights cases over the last 5 years).


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Re: Betsy

Postby Grayskies on Sat Nov 15, 2014 8:45 pm

It is a better story than a ton of other non-stories they do. I think it is worth discussing for 4 reasons...

1) The hand signs would have gotten them expelled from schools, This brings up zero-tolerance rules, also a mayor should lead by example, since kids might emulate her.

2) The relationship between the mpls mayor and the mpls pd, from what I am told it is pretty bad.

3) The lack of communication and slow responce time of the mayors office when asked about ths, If they had simply produced they video of this in a timely mannor this probably would be even less of a story or turned the story on its head and become why dothe police think it is a story.

4) Write or wrong, when you are public figure and you are in public you have to behave like you are on camera/mic all the time, it sucks (or would for me) but it comes with the job like it or not.

For me #2 would be the most compelling part of this, having a rift between the mayor and mpls pd is a pretty serious problem, imho neither side are undeserving of harsh criticism.
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