Permit to purchase

[LarryP]

Told by the police my permit to purchase will take 2 weeks to get. Don't really care, but that's a long time for a 5 minute background check on the computer

[Sigfan220]

Try St Paul, 4-5 weeks! There have been a few threads on it and before I had my PTC I had to get a permit to purchase in St Paul. What a racket!

Note - This was 8 years ago, the times may be better by now. Not likely though.

[xd ED]

I've had several PTPs issued by SPPD; never took much more than a week from application until it was ready. That was 10 - 25 yrs past.

[TTS]

The statute says they have 7 days to issue or deny:
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=624.7131

Subd. 5.Granting of permits. The chief of police or sheriff shall issue a transferee permit or deny the application within seven days of application for the permit. The chief of police or sheriff shall provide an applicant with written notification of a denial and the specific reason for the denial. The permits and their renewal shall be granted free of charge.

[JJ]

The statute says they have 7 days to issue or deny:
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=624.7131

Subd. 5.Granting of permits. The chief of police or sheriff shall issue a transferee permit or deny the application within seven days of application for the permit. The chief of police or sheriff shall provide an applicant with written notification of a denial and the specific reason for the denial. The permits and their renewal shall be granted free of charge.

Yet there are no punishements in statute for disobeying the law.

A law, on the books, with no enforcement mechanism. A tree in the woods falling, with no one to hear it....

[Grayskies]

The statute says they have 7 days to issue or deny:
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=624.7131

Subd. 5.Granting of permits. The chief of police or sheriff shall issue a transferee permit or deny the application within seven days of application for the permit. The chief of police or sheriff shall provide an applicant with written notification of a denial and the specific reason for the denial. The permits and their renewal shall be granted free of charge.

Yet there are no punishements in statute for disobeying the law.

A law, on the books, with no enforcement mechanism. A tree in the woods falling, with no one to hear it....

^^^This^^^

[Sprouticus]

I dropped off my paperwork on Friday, and the permit came in the mail today.

Wright county!!!

[jgalt]

If you've lived in the same county, or at least in MN, for the past 10 years, it is much more likely you'll get it quickly. Maybe not w/in the 7 days mandated by the law, but at least in something less than the 60+ it took me to get mine when I moved here back in '08...

I lived in 10 different jurisdictions in 4 different states in the 10 years prior to moving here, none of which were in MN. They insist on not just calling, but receiving responses from, every place you've lived for that period, and there are no laws that mandate some city or county flunkie in another state has to call back on a request for info from a fellow flunkie in St. Paul. When I called & brought up the statute to them, they said they'd be happy to give me an answer (this was about 2 weeks after the app) - it'd be "denied" of course, because they treat the absence of evidence of any wrongdoing the same as evidence of wrongdoing. They'll only sign off if they have evidence of no wrongdoing by the applicant - or at least that was the clear impression passed on to me by the fine public servants I dealt with...

I applied for my P2C less than 2 weeks after the P2P and I got that in 12 days. Hooray for Sheriff Fletcher!

[TTS]

The statute says they have 7 days to issue or deny:
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=624.7131

Subd. 5.Granting of permits. The chief of police or sheriff shall issue a transferee permit or deny the application within seven days of application for the permit. The chief of police or sheriff shall provide an applicant with written notification of a denial and the specific reason for the denial. The permits and their renewal shall be granted free of charge.

Yet there are no punishements in statute for disobeying the law.

A law, on the books, with no enforcement mechanism. A tree in the woods falling, with no one to hear it....

Agreed, but still worth pointing out to the department and asking why they are not following the statute, often time they are not aware. As you stated it is more likely they don't care.

[MaryB]

If there is a gun you want have the store do it, if no answer in 7 days they have to make the sale.

[farmerj]

If there is a gun you want have the store do it, if no answer in 7 days they have to make the sale.

Because the department has to issue a permit to purchase valid everywhere in the state while if the store fills out the paperwork it is valid that transaction only

[bstrawse]

For those of you that can point to specific, concrete examples - with dates, what you were told (in person, on the phone, in writing, etc), which agency, etc - can you please send those examples to me at bryan.strawser@mngopac.org.

Putting some teeth into this law is a legislative priority for GOCRA and MNGOPAC for the 2015 session - but we're going to need some specific concrete examples to help illustrate the issue to the legislature.

Thanks,
Bryan

[farmerj]

For those of you that can point to specific, concrete examples - with dates, what you were told (in person, on the phone, in writing, etc), which agency, etc - can you please send those examples to me at bryan.strawser@mngopac.org.

Putting some teeth into this law is a legislative priority for GOCRA and MNGOPAC for the 2015 session - but we're going to need some specific concrete examples to help illustrate the issue to the legislature.

Thanks,
Bryan

Still going to ignore cities illegally posting?

[Grayskies]

For those of you that can point to specific, concrete examples - with dates, what you were told (in person, on the phone, in writing, etc), which agency, etc - can you please send those examples to me at bryan.strawser@mngopac.org.

Putting some teeth into this law is a legislative priority for GOCRA and MNGOPAC for the 2015 session - but we're going to need some specific concrete examples to help illustrate the issue to the legislature.

Thanks,
Bryan

Still going to ignore cities illegally posting?

Isn't most of that by a judges order, and getting it past Dayton is not going to be easy...

(not saying it should not be done, and being honest fixing reciprocity rates a tad higher for me at the moment)

[farmerj]

A city posting a municipal liqueur store or city hall with no other office in it is not judges orders.