CC Permits - Why does MN not recognize WI or IA?

[warrlac]

Does anyone know why IA and WI recognize the MN Concealed Carry Permit but Minnesota does not recognize theirs?

Some states recognize with restrictions (permitted person must be age 21, not 18 as in his/her home state, etc.)

Just wondering why?

Thanks!

[xd ED]

I cannot speak to the Iowa permit requirements, but because Wisconsin does not have a live fire qualification, MN does not recognize their permit.

[jdege]

I cannot speak to the Iowa permit requirements, but because Wisconsin does not have a live fire qualification, MN does not recognize their permit.

Which requirement is not justified by any reasonable interpretation of the statute.

I remember taking to a representative of Stanek's campaign, a few years ago, about why the gun community didn't think better of him.

We remember that he was responsible for for the intentionally misconstrued interpretation of the reciprocity language, when we first passed shall-issue.

[xd ED]

I cannot speak to the Iowa permit requirements, but because Wisconsin does not have a live fire qualification, MN does not recognize their permit.

Which requirement is not justified by any reasonable interpretation of the statute.

I remember taking to a representative of Stanek's campaign, a few years ago, about why the gun community didn't think better of him.

We remember that he was responsible for for the intentionally misconstrued interpretation of the reciprocity language, when we first passed shall-issue.

MN does not observe reciprocity with other states - ie: the practice of recognizing another state's permit based on that state recognizing MN's permit.
If another state's requirements meet or exceed those of MN, then MN is to recognize their permit.

[jdege]

Subd. 16.Recognition of permits from other states.

(a) The commissioner must annually establish and publish a list of other states that have laws governing the issuance of permits to carry weapons that are not similar to this section.

"Laws governing the insurance of permits that are not similar to this section."

[OldmanFCSA]

I cannot speak to the Iowa permit requirements, but because Wisconsin does not have a live fire qualification, MN does not recognize their permit.

When I renewed my license, I had to take the full-course as my license had expired.

I took it in St Croix Falls, WI with both Wisconsin and Minnesota courses covered, At the live fire session, both states requirements were covered.

After applying, I received the non-resident Minnesota license and the Wisconsin in-state license, as I live near Osceola Wisconsin now (since May 2012).

4 days for MN license.
7 days for WI license, but I was on vacation when it arrived.

[warrlac]

So, some believe that it was Stanek who botched the reciprocity with WI and IA? Never let something simple like reciprocity with you neighbor get in the way of royally messing it up! Unbelievable.

I cannot speak to the Iowa permit requirements, but because Wisconsin does not have a live fire qualification, MN does not recognize their permit.

Which requirement is not justified by any reasonable interpretation of the statute.

I remember taking to a representative of Stanek's campaign, a few years ago, about why the gun community didn't think better of him.

We remember that he was responsible for for the intentionally misconstrued interpretation of the reciprocity language, when we first passed shall-issue.

[xd ED]

I cannot speak to the Iowa permit requirements, but because Wisconsin does not have a live fire qualification, MN does not recognize their permit.

When I renewed my license, I had to take the full-course as my license had expired.

I took it in St Croix Falls, WI with both Wisconsin and Minnesota courses covered, At the live fire session, both states requirements were covered.

After applying, I received the non-resident Minnesota license and the Wisconsin in-state license, as I live near Osceola Wisconsin now (since May 2012).

4 days for MN license.
7 days for WI license, but I was on vacation when it arrived.

I just read up on the WIS requirements.
https://www.doj.state.wi.us/dles/cib/conceal-carry/training-requirements
Looks straight forward to get that permit.
A hunter safety cert. qualifies as evidence of training, as does mil. LE. or security training. also another state's current, or expired permit.
Once you have a WIS permit, there is no further training needed to renew.
They got the price closer to right: $22

[jdege]

So, some believe that it was Stanek who botched the reciprocity with WI and IA? Never let something simple like reciprocity with you neighbor get in the way of royally messing it up! Unbelievable.

Stanek was Commissioner of Public Safety, at the time. It was his responsibility.

[xd ED]

So, some believe that it was Stanek who botched the reciprocity with WI and IA? Never let something simple like reciprocity with you neighbor get in the way of royally messing it up! Unbelievable.

Stanek was Commissioner of Public Safety, at the time. It was his responsibility.

I'm not familiar with the issue.
What was botched?

[LarryFlew]

I just read up on the WIS requirements.
https://www.doj.state.wi.us/dles/cib/conceal-carry/training-requirements
Looks straight forward to get that permit.
A hunter safety cert. qualifies as evidence of training, as does mil. LE. or security training. also another state's current, or expired permit.
Once you have a WIS permit, there is no further training needed to renew.
They got the price closer to right: $22

Brother in law from Eau Claire said he just had a certified copy of his DD214 to get his WI permit.

[jdege]

So, some believe that it was Stanek who botched the reciprocity with WI and IA? Never let something simple like reciprocity with you neighbor get in the way of royally messing it up! Unbelievable.

Stanek was Commissioner of Public Safety, at the time. It was his responsibility.

I'm not familiar with the issue.
What was botched?

The statute was written to require the Department of Public Safety to recognize all permits except those few who did not have issuance laws that were not "substantially similar" to Minnesota's.

DPS invented rules that managed to not recognize permits from almost all states, for issues that had nothing to do with the laws regarding permit issuance.

[xd ED]

The statute was written to require the Department of Public Safety to recognize all permits except those few who did not have issuance laws that were not "substantially similar" to Minnesota's.

DPS invented rules that managed to not recognize permits from almost all states, for issues that had nothing to do with the laws regarding permit issuance.

I believe that issue got more or less rectified when legislation changed the wording, bringing greater force to bear on the DPS comish to do the right thing.

With regard to any interpretation, I can't see how that would have had any effect on accepting a WIS permit in MN.
The lack of WIS's range qualification can be viewed as a big difference, however one feels about it being part of the requirements.
It is a matter of objectively comparing the states' requirements.
And again, it needs to be pointed out: that is not an issue of reciprocity, as Minnesota does not do reciprocity.

The way the law was crafted directs the DPS Comm. to compare other states' requirements, and approve those that qualify. with no regard as to how that state might view MN's permit requirements.

[Holland&Holland]

So the right of the people should be infringed? Sounds about right.