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Re: Return of Ranb

Postby Jackpine Savage on Mon Aug 05, 2024 6:13 am

Ranb wrote:
Holland&Holland wrote:Who do you think can win? Do you have any suggestions or just state who you don’t like with nothing constructive?

I previously suggested Nikki Haley. Why do I need to keep on saying this?


Haley ran, and lost. She is an establishment Republican. She would have played the part of the loyal opposition and lost the general election just like McCain and Romney.

You say you are 60. You come across like a child stamping his feet because he isn't getting his way.
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Re: Return of Ranb

Postby Ranb on Mon Aug 05, 2024 8:33 am

Holland&Holland wrote:
Ranb wrote:
Holland&Holland wrote:Who do you think can win? Do you have any suggestions or just state who you don’t like with nothing constructive?

I previously suggested Nikki Haley. Why do I need to keep on saying this?

I have no problem with Nikki Haley. She has no chance of winning. So then what do you think happens?

If Haley doesn't win, then of course Harris wins. What do you think happens when Trump doesn't win? Trump's anti-gun positions, his fondness for sexual assault and his felony convictions are costing him voters, some of whom will vote Democrat.

But if Trump does win, then he has four more years to screw gun owners over. Trump didn't lift a finger to push pro-gun legislation when the GOP controlled Congress, he will not do it if he gets re-elected. Supporting Trump is not constructive at all.
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Re: Return of Ranb

Postby Ranb on Mon Aug 05, 2024 8:36 am

Jackpine Savage wrote:Haley ran, and lost. She is an establishment Republican. She would have played the part of the loyal opposition and lost the general election just like McCain and Romney.

You say you are 60. You come across like a child stamping his feet because he isn't getting his way.

I think the GOP is going to lose big by continuing to support Trump. I oppose anti-gun politicians; you're the one supporting cry-baby Trump
who whines about how much he is a victim while he is trying to deny us our civil rights.
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Re: Return of Ranb

Postby Jackpine Savage on Mon Aug 05, 2024 9:35 am

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Re: Return of Ranb

Postby Holland&Holland on Mon Aug 05, 2024 12:45 pm

Ranb wrote:If Haley doesn't win, then of course Harris wins. What do you think happens when Trump doesn't win? Trump's anti-gun positions, his fondness for sexual assault and his felony convictions are costing him voters, some of whom will vote Democrat.

But if Trump does win, then he has four more years to screw gun owners over. Trump didn't lift a finger to push pro-gun legislation when the GOP controlled Congress, he will not do it if he gets re-elected. Supporting Trump is not constructive at all.


Do you have evidence to support a case that Haley can win? The evidence seems to suggest that she is not going to be able to get it done. Not saying Trump is my 1st choice but he can win.

Yes, I feel having Trump is better than Harris by a long shot. The justices he has put on the supreme court alone have done more to preserve gun rights than others have done in the last 20 years.
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Re: Return of Ranb

Postby Ranb on Mon Aug 05, 2024 4:48 pm

I think Haley has a better chance of winning against Harris than Trump does. Haley is not a gun grabber, rapist or felon. That is a big advantage in my opinion. I think Trump will lose, and lose big. But if Trump does get elected, perhaps his advisors will steer him clear of any more stupid anti-gun actions.

The justices Trump put on the court are only effective if they keep on reversing anti-gun actions. They have yet to take any action on the Biden and Bush gun grabs. What makes you think anyone will bringing suit on any future Trump gun grabs that will be reversed by the courts?
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Re: Return of Ranb

Postby Holland&Holland on Tue Aug 06, 2024 7:55 am

Ranb wrote:I think Haley has a better chance of winning against Harris than Trump does. Haley is not a gun grabber, rapist or felon. That is a big advantage in my opinion. I think Trump will lose, and lose big. But if Trump does get elected, perhaps his advisors will steer him clear of any more stupid anti-gun actions.

The justices Trump put on the court are only effective if they keep on reversing anti-gun actions. They have yet to take any action on the Biden and Bush gun grabs. What makes you think anyone will bringing suit on any future Trump gun grabs that will be reversed by the courts?

Well I guess you could run a write in Champaign for her.
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Re: Return of Ranb

Postby Ranb on Tue Aug 06, 2024 10:22 am

Holland&Holland wrote:Well I guess you could run a write in Champaign for her.

I give direct answers to your questions. Why are you avoiding answering mine?
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Re: Return of Ranb

Postby Holland&Holland on Tue Aug 06, 2024 9:18 pm

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Holland&Holland wrote:Well I guess you could run a write in Champaign for her.

I give direct answers to your questions. Why are you avoiding answering mine?

I did. She is not on the ballot in any state, what other mechanism can one use to get her elected at this point? Or do you not understand how that works either? No wonder you have been so ineffective at your attempts to change gun policy in 2 states.
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Re: Return of Ranb

Postby Ranb on Wed Aug 07, 2024 3:08 pm

Holland&Holland wrote: No wonder you have been so ineffective at your attempts to change gun policy in 2 states.

Why was I not effective at changing gun policy in WA? The bill did pass and silencers are now legal to use in WA. Most of the credit goes to the prime sponsor; Blake (D) from McCleary.

You have answered some of my questions, others you have avoided. Why?

What makes you think anyone will bringing suit on any future Trump gun grabs that will be reversed by the courts? I was never bragging, just starting some facts. Can you quote me where I was bragging?
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Re: Return of Ranb

Postby Ranb on Wed Aug 07, 2024 3:16 pm

warrlac wrote:
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Bold words coming from a person who is largely unaware of Trump's anti-gun agenda and does not care to learn much about it.

Ranb wrote:
warrlac wrote: I'm not following you when you talk about gun grabber Trump however? I'm aware of the recently overturned Bump Stock order but nothing else comes to mind.

Aren't you the guy who claims to be ignorant of Trump's anti-gun agenda? When I explained his agenda,you simply dismissed it with "Not seeing that in Trump at all". I disparage anti-gun politicians. Why are you giving them a pass?

Can you tell me why you are satisfied with remaining ignorant on Trump's anti-gun agenda? Telling me to get a life is not an acceptable answer.

Trump's gun confiscation plan without due process.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxgybgEKHHI

Trump's gun grab.
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR- ... -27763.pdf

Trump wants to raise age to buy guns. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/t ... re-weapons
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Re: Return of Ranb

Postby Lumpy on Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:27 pm

My general impression is that when faced with an issue that he doesn't know or particularly care about, Trump falls back to regurgitating talking points that some anonymous underling briefed him on. I don't think Trump cared enough about bump stock bans to do anything more than sign an order that some policy wonk plunked down on his desk. I presume the other anti-gun proposals you've linked Trump to are of similar origin.
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Re: Return of Ranb

Postby Ranb on Wed Aug 07, 2024 6:10 pm

Lumpy wrote:My general impression is that when faced with an issue that he doesn't know or particularly care about, Trump falls back to regurgitating talking points that some anonymous underling briefed him on. I don't think Trump cared enough about bump stock bans to do anything more than sign an order that some policy wonk plunked down on his desk. I presume the other anti-gun proposals you've linked Trump to are of similar origin.

Trump had time to talk about the bump stock ban to the media; he said back in February 2018 he would ban bump stocks. There was a comment period so the public could tell the ATF what they thought about it. I wrote in, but I think it was a waste of time. Most people who contacted the ATF were in favor of a ban; 119,000 out of 186,000. By December 2018, the final rule was written and became effective in 2019.

I'm not sure who had Trump's ear when he was talking about red flag laws. But he objected to VP Pence's insistence that there be due process prior to anyone being subjected to an emergency protection order and losing their firearms. The C-span video is really strange. Even Feinstein did not seem to be in favor of confiscating anything without due process. But she did not object either.

The idea that the age limit be raised for buying certain guns seemed to be an off the cuff comment, but it was still a very anti-gun thing to say.
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Re: Return of Ranb

Postby Holland&Holland on Wed Aug 07, 2024 9:11 pm

Ranb wrote:
Holland&Holland wrote: No wonder you have been so ineffective at your attempts to change gun policy in 2 states.

Why was I not effective at changing gun policy in WA? The bill did pass and silencers are now legal to use in WA. Most of the credit goes to the prime sponsor; Blake (D) from McCleary.

You have answered some of my questions, others you have avoided. Why?

What makes you think anyone will bringing suit on any future Trump gun grabs that will be reversed by the courts? I was never bragging, just starting some facts. Can you quote me where I was bragging?

What question have I not answered?
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Re: Return of Ranb

Postby Ranb on Thu Aug 08, 2024 8:14 am

Here are two you have not given direct answers to.

1. What makes you think anyone will bringing suit on any future Trump gun grabs that will be reversed by the courts?
2. I was never bragging, just starting some facts. Can you quote me where I was bragging?

Your willful ignorance is not the flex you think it is.
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