Federal Brass - difficulty seating some primers

[EJSG19]

These Federal cases though, are the only ones that remain un-primeable (that can't be a word), no matter how much re-positioning is .

What is the range of cases you have used so far?... I can think of some other stubborn ones like S&B.

Honestly have you called dillion? Their customer service and knowledge base is outstanding, it could be something equipment specific that they have all ready encountered.

Oh and I hope your kevlar has the trauma plates in.

Oh Lord please don't make me admit that I load various headstamps in the same batch.

But I do, and I do my best to inspect for flaws and anything else I know to be a cause of accidents. Also I come nowhere near the max loads in any manual, so yadda yadda, I feel safe within reason, and I expect to get reamed for that as it is not the safest means of reloading etc.

Anyway, yes S&B can be a pita, and those are easily tossed out as with AMERC and any of the other less than savory case makers. But, Winch. Speer, most federal and LC and the like all load perfectly well. I have never had this issue with any but these select few Federals.

Lastly I have to agree. Dillon has replaced free of charge anything I have needed in the past. They are truly outstanding in that regard. I have not yet called them on this, as it just doesn't seem to be repeatable enough for me to nail down what the cause is. So far I have attributed it to junk cases and just tossed them.

[Seismic Sam]

Huge meatball tossed right over home plate there, for anyone that cares to take a swing at it.

You want me to do it, or just wait for SS...............

Hoping somebody will. I'm hunkered down in my bunker with my kevlar. I never said I wasn't doing something stupid, so bring it on. After the fire has been put out, maybe I will have learned something.

Even if its laced with fury and contempt, I still appeciate the message underneath.

You horny old, titty squeezing squid!!! WHATSAMATTAWITYOU???

OOOOPPPPSSSS!

You're not Tootsie!!! NEVER mind....

If your Dillon is not allowing the case to fully get into the shell holder, that could cause the problem. In addition, there is always the remote possibility that your shell holder is out of spec, OR that maybe it's the wrong shellholder. However, if you're seeing an off center bright ring around the primer hole, the most likely possibility is a military primer crimp. Seeing as the TC Arsenal is a Federal Faclity, there's plenty of military 45 ACP with crimped primers running around, and yes, you do have to remove that crimp, either by reaming (my specialty!!!) or more correctly swaging. The die is pretty cheap, but for 5 cases in 100 I would just heave them.

[EJSG19]

the cases sometimes show an off-centered bright ring around the primer pocket mouth, like the primer pocket itself is not centered.

Sounds crimped...

Have you got someone who has a dillon swage press you can try it on and see if that helps close by? I hate seeing pockets get reamed. Most of the time they get loose then.

Very well could be. I have never reamed or swaged a pocket primer for pistol brass. Especially with the tiny number of cases that it happens with, but that would be a good thing to try sounds like. If a couple of you plus The Oracle think that this is the likely cause that is good enough for me.

[EJSG19]

You horny old, titty squeezing squid!!! WHATSAMATTAWITYOU???

OOOOPPPPSSSS!

You're not Tootsie!!! NEVER mind....

If your Dillon is not allowing the case to fully get into the shell holder, that could cause the problem. In addition, there is always the remote possibility that your shell holder is out of spec, OR that maybe it's the wrong shellholder. However, if you're seeing an off center bright ring around the primer hole, the most likely possibility is a military primer crimp. Seeing as the TC Arsenal is a Federal Faclity, there's plenty of military 45 ACP with crimped primers running around, and yes, you do have to remove that crimp, either by reaming (my specialty!!!) or more correctly swaging. The die is pretty cheap, but for 5 cases in 100 I would just heave them.

**** SS, that was one of the nicest posts I've seen out of you in a week. I feel a little bit short changed on the reaming end of it. (wait that didn't sound right... I retract that last transmission)

Anyway, kidding aside, thanks for the info each and everyone of you. If it happens more often, I know the most likely remedy now. Peace of mind when it comes to "oh ****, something isn't working like it should" when I am down in my reloading room is precisely priceless.

Good stuff.

[farmerj]

Anyway, kidding aside, thanks for the info each and everyone of you.

Donuts man...Thank us in DONUTS......



Of course, beer is a nice alternative.

[Jeff Bergquist]

Anyway, yes S&B can be a pita, and those are easily tossed out as with AMERC and any of the other less than savory case makers.

IMO there's nothing wrong per se with S&B brass, I just load them seperately because of the different feel while seating primers. AMERC on the other hand... As a friend once told me, if you find AMERC brass in your stash, kill it before it can reproduce.

[1911fan]

A quick bouble check to make sure your base plate/shell holder is the proper one. Then dig thru your unsized brass and see if can fins somecases that have that ring and try to duplicate the feeling. It's my experience that if find them and deprime them and then (with no primer sitting in the primer cup) usethe ram to "seat" that empty primer ram it will swage it out to the proper size.

[EJSG19]

Anyway, yes S&B can be a pita, and those are easily tossed out as with AMERC and any of the other less than savory case makers.

IMO there's nothing wrong per se with S&B brass, I just load them seperately because of the different feel while seating primers. AMERC on the other hand... As a friend once told me, if you find AMERC brass in your stash, kill it before it can reproduce.

Yep, didn't mean that I was a S&B snob. If the case is in good shape to the best of my inspection, I'll reload a S&B case. I wouldn't go out and buy 1,000 S&B cases by choice, but they serve their purpose.

Thats a pretty good mentality to have on AMERC though, funny too.

[EJSG19]

A quick bouble check to make sure your base plate/shell holder is the proper one. Then dig thru your unsized brass and see if can fins somecases that have that ring and try to duplicate the feeling. It's my experience that if find them and deprime them and then (with no primer sitting in the primer cup) usethe ram to "seat" that empty primer ram it will swage it out to the proper size.

Thats not a bad idea. Not knowing the hardness of the metal of the primer cup I've wondered if I might deform the primer cup by pressing too hard against a stubborn case, or bend something I shouldnt bend on the press. I may have to give it a careful try unless I acquire a swage tool in the meantime.

I tend to treat my press like i treat my guns. Anything outside of normal use makes me afraid I'll bend/break/screw something up.

[EJSG19]

Anyway, kidding aside, thanks for the info each and everyone of you.

Donuts man...Thank us in DONUTS......



Of course, beer is a nice alternative.

I pay in bagels. Less takers that way.

But beer works in a pinch. I plan to pay myself a little bit tomorrow morning. Anyone that wants to join is welcome.

[usnret]

There probably isn't anything wrong with the Dillon.
Do the cases have a red ring around the primer pocket? I have found that newer American Eagle (pronounced Federal) .223 cases have crimped in primers. I am assuming that is what is happening to you.

[monschman]

Sadly none have a page dedicated to the topic of "Eric you are a dumbass for not being able to figure out why you can't seat an Effing primer in .05% of your brass."
.

thats cause 5 out of 100 primers is 5% dumbass, RTFM, properly this time

[EJSG19]

Sadly none have a page dedicated to the topic of "Eric you are a dumbass for not being able to figure out why you can't seat an Effing primer in .05% of your brass."
.

thats cause 5 out of 100 primers is 5% dumbass, RTFM, properly this time

Whats the matter Monsch? Too many beers last night (when I left you were sober!) I said 5 out of 100 federal cases. the .05% I meant for all my brass, which was a nice round 1,000 brass case estimate.

Keep up, eat a donut, this makes us look bad that we are arguing about math, scales, and legal gun cases, see you in the morning you Effer.


Sincerely,
Voice of Reason (no this is not my new sig line, but I think its funny at the moment)

p.s. yes the math still doesn;t add up but I am not fixing it

[monschman]

where do you work again, and refresh my memory as to why i dont go there, crikey, i am bored outta my gourd right now, and cold too


Cause five out of a hundred cases of all your brass is still 5% even if you got 1000, i may have had a few drinkies but methinks your head must have had some internal compression form all the protein ingested earlier

[EJSG19]

where do you work again, and refresh my memory as to why i dont go there, crikey, i am bored outta my gourd right now, and cold too

ditto

and you aren't missing much, i wear long johns and long sleeves on a regular basis. must be cheap to keep this place at 63 degrees year round.