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Re: OUCH, that hurts !

Postby clemmac on Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:44 am

JoeH wrote:
clemmac wrote:No modifications to this pistol, it's as it came out of the box with maybe a thousand (trouble free) rounds through it 8-)


Minus one ;)


:o :shock: :D Yah, yah, yah ....................... :lol:
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Re: OUCH, that hurts !

Postby gyrfalcon on Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:35 am

clemmac wrote:There is no "out of battery" test in the armorer's manual. As I mentioned above, I did clean and inspect the pistol. I did not mention, but did perform all the safety and functional tests that Glock teaches.


It's too bad you couldn't find the primer... that could have potentially explained what happened. How fast were you firing when it happened? Did the slide look completely locked up when you pulled the trigger? Some folks say having a dirty chamber can prevent the round from seating completely and cause a case failure.
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Re: OUCH, that hurts !

Postby clemmac on Mon Nov 01, 2010 11:15 am

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clemmac wrote:There is no "out of battery" test in the armorer's manual. As I mentioned above, I did clean and inspect the pistol. I did not mention, but did perform all the safety and functional tests that Glock teaches.


It's too bad you couldn't find the primer... that could have potentially explained what happened. How fast were you firing when it happened? Did the slide look completely locked up when you pulled the trigger? Some folks say having a dirty chamber can prevent the round from seating completely and cause a case failure.


A "moderate rate of fire" (see original post :) ) I don't look at the gun when I'm shooting, I don't know where the slide was when I pressed the trigger. The previous shot hit the steel I shot at, it felt completely normal as to sound and recoil sensation. Do you look at the slide between shots when you're shooting ?

I'm sure that a very dirty firing chamber could cause a round from seating completely, but as I've mentioned above, the pistol was not in that dirty condition and the pistol is in good mechanical shape also.
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Re: OUCH, that hurts !

Postby gyrfalcon on Mon Nov 01, 2010 2:00 pm

clemmac wrote:A "moderate rate of fire" (see original post :) ) I don't look at the gun when I'm shooting, I don't know where the slide was when I pressed the trigger. The previous shot hit the steel I shot at, it felt completely normal as to sound and recoil sensation. Do you look at the slide between shots when you're shooting ?


Not always, depends how fast and what sort of shooting I'm doing... sometimes I tip the front sight up and bring the pistol down slowly on the target and I'm able to see the barrel/slide pretty well. So do you think it was the ammo or the firearms fault?
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Re: OUCH, that hurts !

Postby clemmac on Mon Nov 01, 2010 2:36 pm

gyrfalcon wrote:Not always, depends how fast and what sort of shooting I'm doing... sometimes I tip the front sight up and bring the pistol down slowly on the target and I'm able to see the barrel/slide pretty well. So do you think it was the ammo or the firearms fault?


CCI sent this in response to my inquiry "I checked our records on this lot number (H03N4) which was manufactured in August 2007. No prior reports of a problem." She went on to say that CCI would pick up the remaining 900 rounds of the case of ammo and replace it for me.

After thinking things over since the incident on Friday, gathering other thoughts and ideas from this forum and other sources, I'm convinced that I was unlucky and acquired ONE bad round in that case of ammunition (I may be wrong :( ). I accepted CCI's kind offer of replacement ammo because the lady said: "However, if you would like to return ship the remainder of the product our Quality Assurance department will evaluate the product." CCI is sending a UPS "Call Tag" for pickup of the ammo which allows them to bear the shipping costs from here to Idaho :D

Nope, I don't believe that the pistol is at fault and I'm really happy that those "Tupperware" guns have the strength that they have. I'll continue to buy CCI Blazer ammo when the price is favorable and maybe even a few more Glocks (IF, I have enough room in the safe to store them :? )
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Re: OUCH, that hurts !

Postby TH3180 on Mon Nov 01, 2010 2:59 pm

Sounds like to me CCI is making things right. It is always nice to hear of a company taking care of there cusomers.
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Re: OUCH, that hurts !

Postby gyrfalcon on Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:04 pm

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gyrfalcon wrote:...Nope, I don't believe that the pistol is at fault and I'm really happy that those "Tupperware" guns have the strength that they have. I'll continue to buy CCI Blazer ammo when the price is favorable and maybe even a few more Glocks (IF, I have enough room in the safe to store them :? )


Well from what I've seen I would blame the firearm... Then again I don't want to get into a drawn-out disagreement about the Glock disconnector, usupported chambers and chamber wall thickness especially relating to the .40S&W Glocks. :D

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big Glock fan...I just don't believe they're all perfect.
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Re: OUCH, that hurts !

Postby clemmac on Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:16 pm

TH3180 wrote:Sounds like to me CCI is making things right. It is always nice to hear of a company taking care of there cusomers.


The process required a tiny bit of give and take, the lady wanted me to drop the ammo at a UPS depot, but that's quite difficult where we live. I'm happy with the resolution. The new ammo isn't here yet of course and if things don't turn out as expected I'll let the forum know.
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Re: OUCH, that hurts !

Postby clemmac on Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:20 pm

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clemmac wrote:
gyrfalcon wrote:...Nope, I don't believe that the pistol is at fault and I'm really happy that those "Tupperware" guns have the strength that they have. I'll continue to buy CCI Blazer ammo when the price is favorable and maybe even a few more Glocks (IF, I have enough room in the safe to store them :? )


Well from what I've seen I would blame the firearm... Then again I don't want to get into a drawn-out disagreement about the Glock disconnector, usupported chambers and chamber wall thickness especially relating to the .40S&W Glocks. :D

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big Glock fan...I just don't believe they're all perfect.


NOWHERE near perfect, I agree, but they make me happy enough.
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Re: OUCH, that hurts !

Postby TH3180 on Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:23 pm

clemmac wrote:
TH3180 wrote:Sounds like to me CCI is making things right. It is always nice to hear of a company taking care of there cusomers.


The process required a tiny bit of give and take, the lady wanted me to drop the ammo at a UPS depot, but that's quite difficult where we live. I'm happy with the resolution. The new ammo isn't here yet of course and if things don't turn out as expected I'll let the forum know.

Please let us know how it all turns out.
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Re: OUCH, that hurts !

Postby clemmac on Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:36 pm

TH3180 wrote:
clemmac wrote:
TH3180 wrote:Sounds like to me CCI is making things right. It is always nice to hear of a company taking care of there cusomers.


The process required a tiny bit of give and take, the lady wanted me to drop the ammo at a UPS depot, but that's quite difficult where we live. I'm happy with the resolution. The new ammo isn't here yet of course and if things don't turn out as expected I'll let the forum know.

Please let us know how it all turns out.


Sure, I'll try to remember to let you know when the new ammo gets here in a few weeks :)
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Re: OUCH, that hurts !

Postby MrVvrroomm on Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:51 pm

Glock hasn't and never will admit they have a problem with their .40 chamber support. Below is a pic of the Glock .40 barrel evolution:

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Firing out of battery? I just spent 20 minutes trying to get one of my Glocks to release the striker when pistol was out of battery. The best I was able to do was about 1/16" out of battery. While the slide may not have been fully forward, the relationship between the slide and the barrel remained the same.
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Re: OUCH, that hurts !

Postby clemmac on Mon Nov 01, 2010 4:20 pm

MrVvrroomm wrote:Glock hasn't and never will admit they have a problem with their .40 chamber support. Below is a pic of the Glock .40 barrel evolution:

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Firing out of battery? I just spent 20 minutes trying to get one of my Glocks to release the striker when pistol was out of battery. The best I was able to do was about 1/16" out of battery. While the slide may not have been fully forward, the relationship between the slide and the barrel remained the same.



I just fiddled with a couple of my Glocks too, nice bright November sunlight down the magazine well, easy to see the firing pin safety. If that slide is just a bit out of battery, the firing pin safety doesn't get pushed up by the trigger bar and the firing pin can't go forward to hit the primer.

I don't have my G-32 (.357 SIG caliber) any longer, but when I compared the chamber support on that gun with a nearly same vintage G-23 (40 S&W) gun, I was amazed how much more the chamber was supported in that .357 SIG gun. Huh .....
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Re: OUCH, that hurts !

Postby MrVvrroomm on Mon Nov 01, 2010 4:33 pm

clemmac wrote:I don't have my G-32 (.357 SIG caliber) any longer, but when I compared the chamber support on that gun with a nearly same vintage G-23 (40 S&W) gun, I was amazed how much more the chamber was supported in that .357 SIG gun. Huh .....

The chamber support on my 22 is identical to my 31. Both 2009 manufacture dates.
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Re: OUCH, that hurts !

Postby clemmac on Mon Nov 01, 2010 4:45 pm

MrVvrroomm wrote:
clemmac wrote:I don't have my G-32 (.357 SIG caliber) any longer, but when I compared the chamber support on that gun with a nearly same vintage G-23 (40 S&W) gun, I was amazed how much more the chamber was supported in that .357 SIG gun. Huh .....

The chamber support on my 22 is identical to my 31. Both 2009 manufacture dates.


Do you think it's more or less than previous editions ?
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