100 rds 45acp reloads

View · by **rugershooter6823** on Sun Feb 24, 2013 7:46 pm

I have 100 rds 45 acp. 230 gr fmjrn montana gold. 5.6grn 231 or 6.25 gr n340. Win primers. No clue of value make me an offer. Apple valley area.

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View · by **jeffo** on Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:04 pm

Not good idea to shoot another persons reloads.

View · by **rugershooter6823** on Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:50 pm

Ok guess i didnt know you cant sell your own hand loads so if this can be deleted please do! Was informed you need a particular ffl to sell hand loads.

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View · by **xd ED** on Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:05 pm

I don't believe the casual sale of some small amount of unwanted reloads is unlawful. It's merely unwise for someone to buy it with the intention of shooting the stuff.

View · by **rugershooter6823** on Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:19 pm

Either way dont really wanna risk anything.

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View · by **MrVvrroomm** on Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:10 am

rugershooter6823 wrote:I have 100 rds 45 acp. 230 gr fmjrn montana gold. 5.6grn 231 or 6.25 gr n340. Win primers. No clue of value make me an offer. Apple valley area.

There's a good $20 worth of components sitting there. I'd give the ya $15 for it. I'd have to hammer it all apart.

Can I have the box too?

View · by **Seismic Sam** on Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:53 pm

xd ED wrote:I don't believe the casual sale of some small amount of unwanted reloads is unlawful. It's merely unwise for someone to buy it with the intention of shooting the stuff.

Yeah, you got that right!! And it's PARTICULARLY unwise if the person selling the handloaded ammo hasn't even CONSIDERED the aspect of liability, or whether it's legal!! That marks you as a real n00b as far as being up on all the aspects of handloading are concerned, and just for the record if you're going to sell ammo to make a profit and you DON'T have business liability insurance (which is really spendy!) then you're a fly-by-night "if you bought it and it blows up don't call me!!" kind of person. And if you think you're being treated unfairly, let me share with you what happened to me at OGC one day at the 50: Was to the left side of a guy who was shooting a hot loaded 44 mag, which is fine with me, but the gun was "spitting" small partiles of lead/powder over on me, and it was uncomfortable, so I moved to the right side. Thought the gun might have large cylinder gap or something. So this guy keeps shooting, not terribly fast (thankfully!!), and one round makes a "funny" sort of noise. the guy's hand wavers, comes down, goes back up towards the target, and then comes all the way down. Yup, it was a squib, and there was bullet solidly lodged in the barrel, and it turned out that this ammo had been handloaded by the guy's idiot slob Uncle, and I was about two seconds away from having a 44 mag revolver with hot loads blow apart three feet directly to the left of my head. Dunno what I would have done if the Uncle had actually been there, but I'm sure somebody would have called the cops.

So thank you very much for offering up your handloads for all the rest of us to take a chance on, and better yet to put some completely innocent shooter standing next to the guy who bought your handloads at risk. Once again, the fact that you never even considered the aspect of personal liability or whther it's legal before you made the offer means you're really not looking at the big picture as far as handloading and safety are concerned, period! You want to get hurty feelings or think I'm picking on you, then let's hear how many years experience you got, and how many tens of thousands of rounds you have loaded. I got 40 years straight of doing this, and NEVER had a single squib or kaboom, and I STILL wouldn't ever consider selling or even giving my stuff to someone else.

EDIT: Just got back from me and Sasha working at Bethesda, and figured there would be a lot of flak, or Bender waiting to give me a colonoscopy with a torque wrench, and discovered no replies and a lot of reads, so some of you are probably yocking it up about the house troll finally getting a n00b sammich to eat. Then I looked at the post again, and discovered to my horror that the situation is even WORSE than I thought it was, and it's so bad I've never seen something like it before. And while the handwritten "recipe" note is pretty bad, that isn't it either. Read the original post again:

I have 100 rds 45 acp. 230 gr fmjrn montana gold. 5.6grn 231 OR 6.25 gr n340. Win primers.

So you got a box of 100 rounds of ammo, and it's a box with two different loads with two different powders, and no indication of which is which???

The Nosler #7 and Hornady #9 manual show no load data for 45 ACP with N340 powder at all, and after searching I did find both powders listed for in Speer #14 for 230 gr. fmjrn, EXCEPT the 5.6 grains of 231 is the MINIMUM starting load, while 6.25 grains of N340 is the MAX load for the exact same bullet. Oh, and never mind why the person who loaded this stuff up has the 231 load listed to 1/10th of a grain, and the N340 load listed to 1/100th of a grain! He must have gotten one of them fancy $30 .0000001 grain precision electronic scales from OldJoeBlow.com on the internet. The scale must have know that it was weighing out a max load, and kicked in that extra decimal place to make sure everything was safe. :roll:

Oh... Would anybody care to figure the odds as to whether there are some loads with 6.25 grains of 231 or 5.6 grains of N340 in there??

Absolutely EFFEN incredible!! Never seen anything like this before in my life!!

View · by **gearguy10** on Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:37 pm

MrVvrroomm wrote:There's a good $20 worth of components sitting there. I'd give the ya $15 for it. I'd have to hammer it all apart.

Can I have the box too?

I'll give you $15.01 for it and pinky swear that I'll pull it all apart and reload to my own specs. And I want the box too.

View · by **Jreinan01** on Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:12 pm

I think he's got it...maybe another 5-6 paragraphs of ranting on him might make sure he never comes back and never learns. I know this stuff is life and death potentially, I am insanely anal about my loads personally but maybe berating him over and over and over isn't the right approach. I was so happy to find MN GunTalk but I'm starting to realize it may just be an old boys club with the same bickering as everywhere else.... And yep I'm new to the site too so I kind of expect to get people to jump all over me too, ohh well

View · by **qualcorp** on Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:40 pm

Am I all alone here or do small pistol primers suck!

View · by **Seismic Sam** on Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:07 pm

qualcorp wrote:Am I all along here or do small pistol primers suck!

HUH?? I'm like 99.999% sure those are the usual large primer 45 ACP cases, so what's the deal with the SPP? I agree they suck, and are an invention of the devil, and an invitation to primer tube kabooms for the foreseeable future, but from that camera angle SPP's would look like little dots in the middle of the case head.

View · by **Seismic Sam** on Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:46 pm

Jreinan01 wrote:I think he's got it...maybe another 5-6 paragraphs of ranting on him might make sure he never comes back and never learns. I know this stuff is life and death potentially, I am insanely anal about my loads personally but maybe berating him over and over and over isn't the right approach. I was so happy to find MN GunTalk but I'm starting to realize it may just be an old boys club with the same bickering as everywhere else.... And yep I'm new to the site too so I kind of expect to get people to jump all over me too, ohh well

Well, Mr. "I'm already a reloader and I know it's a life or death situation", why don't YOU take him under YOUR wing and try to clue him in, and then keep giving the same advice to an endless supply of these people every month for 25 or so years, and let me know how that works out for you. Seriously!!

And if you look around, you'll find that people who ask intelligent questions actually do get fairly long and detailed replies from me, but as it says right in the front of most reloading manuals, "reloading is simply not for some people", and this is so far beyond the pale that the best thing you can do for the sake of the general shooting public is administer the most almighty kick in the ass you can, and hope the guy either wakes up or DOES go away. If you would choose to disagree, why don't you put your money where your mouth is, PM the guy, and go out shooting together with that box of ammo he's got, and offer to pay for your half?? Oh, not safe enough for you, but you want OTHER people to clue this guy in, even though he's already the most almighty train wreck I have ever seen in 40 years??

View · by **Jreinan01** on Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:55 pm

Ok so it's clear you ARE just an ass...you no idea who I am or what I have done or haven't done and I'm already being attacked too

View · by **qualcorp** on Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:07 pm

Jreinan01 wrote:Ok so it's clear you ARE just an ass...you no idea who I am or what I have done or haven't done and I'm already being attacked too

spin into butter

View · by **minnhawk** on Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:32 am

Seismic:

Being a troll is so 1990's, isn't it? You want an excuse to be rude and nasty, go ahead. You wanna be the playground bully, go ahead. Being on this site a long time does not grant you privilege or power; being a long-time reloader does not give you authority to trash people, or be proud of it, or wear it like a badge. True, you don't have to be civil, but your troll behavior just negates any of the so-called good you do here. Poof, you're gone.