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[DoxaPar]

Even IF it were to come to that for what are you really going to fight? The vast majority of Americans who are in TV-land and more concerned with their weekly welfare check than investing their lives into improving their lives?

You think the majority of Americans would be there cheering you on? No way. They'll be cheering on the the government cause you're a terrorist and interrupted their day.

Pretty freakin' sad, honestly. But I'd take my family and get the hell out.

[NMRMN]

Even IF it were to come to that for what are you really going to fight? The vast majority of Americans who are in TV-land and more concerned with their weekly welfare check than investing their lives into improving their lives?
You think the majority of Americans would be there cheering you on? No way. They'll be cheering on the the government cause you're a terrorist and interrupted their day.
Pretty freakin' sad, honestly. But I'd take my family and get the hell out.

Look. Unfortunately, our community is somewhat susceptible to doomsday scenarios: thats one of the reasons why some of us own guns. There's not much use getting too worked up about it though right now. What we need to worry about is petitioning our official representatives, investing time and money (if we can) in the fight to maintain our constitutional rights. While these debates are even worthwhile, they are very cerebral, for the foreseeable future. Don't give up hope on America or her people. She'll come around, and I believe we have seen more evidence of that over the past two months than any other time in recent history.

[XDM45]

Even IF it were to come to that for what are you really going to fight? The vast majority of Americans who are in TV-land and more concerned with their weekly welfare check than investing their lives into improving their lives?
You think the majority of Americans would be there cheering you on? No way. They'll be cheering on the the government cause you're a terrorist and interrupted their day.
Pretty freakin' sad, honestly. But I'd take my family and get the hell out.

Look. Unfortunately, our community is somewhat susceptible to doomsday scenarios: thats one of the reasons why some of us own guns. There's not much use getting too worked up about it though right now. What we need to worry about is petitioning our official representatives, investing time and money (if we can) in the fight to maintain our constitutional rights. While these debates are even worthwhile, they are very cerebral, for the foreseeable future. Don't give up hope on America or her people. She'll come around, and I believe we have seen more evidence of that over the past two months than any other time in recent history.

Agreed.

I think it's good to prepare and plan just in case the SHTF or WROL ever does happen; and if/when it does, you still won't be 100% prepared, but you'll be better off than someone whose nose is stuck n the air drinking an over-priced coffee at Starbucks while looking at clothing online via their MacBook.

[texasprowler]

it is an extraordinarily difficult debate, because of course, resisting arrest is illegal. We do not have much guidance that I am aware of, other than one's own conscience (and of course the founding father's admonitions on the subject), of what a large population should do when confronted by a systematically illegal and violent authority in the US. I imagine this is not an area where the federal government would concede much ground easily, if it ever decided to go that route.

Reminds me of the paradox our GI's often face, disobey a direct order from an officer, or violate the Geneva Convention. In lose/lose scenarios, thank heaven there is a higher law to look to, and I suspect our domestic GI's will give resistance.

[texasprowler]

Nobody is going to be grabbing anyone's guns.

How can I be assured?

[Heffay]

Nobody is going to be grabbing anyone's guns.

How can I be assured?

What do you want, someone to hold your hand?

Therapy might be useful.

[texasprowler]

Nobody is going to be grabbing anyone's guns.

How can I be assured?

What do you want, someone to hold your hand?

Therapy might be useful.

I like to learn alternative theories. What is yours?

[Li'l Beaver]

Lets say that a gun confiscation bill did somehow pass. I seriously doubt the feds would kick in the door and you would have a heroic last stand against tyranny. Im guessing they would gather intel, find out where you work, when, when you are home, when not. If they cant find an easy opening to get in uncontested, they will make one. Faked call from the hospital about a loved one, wife taken downtown, come pick her up, IRS appointment to go over your taxes fro 4 years ago... You get the idea.

They will go in, little to no resistance and take them. They will have ultrasonic tech to scan within walls, they will confiscate your cars. Then, they will most likely charge you at work, at the gym, etc and take you in for felony posession. The few hold outs who manage to avoid these traps will either hide them so well that they are useless, or they will finally get their heroic last stand but it will be a slaughter because the cops are not going to go in unprepared or let themselves be outnumbered. The news will report these few as drug dealers or someone plotting a terrorist action so people wont even know what really happened.

The information would get out via YouTube, SMS, etc. Anonymous would insure it gets out to the masses and when the truth was revealed, we may be WROL in that case.

Don't forget that the government can shut down the internet in a heart beat along with all radio and telephone communications!

[XDM45]

Lets say that a gun confiscation bill did somehow pass. I seriously doubt the feds would kick in the door and you would have a heroic last stand against tyranny. Im guessing they would gather intel, find out where you work, when, when you are home, when not. If they cant find an easy opening to get in uncontested, they will make one. Faked call from the hospital about a loved one, wife taken downtown, come pick her up, IRS appointment to go over your taxes fro 4 years ago... You get the idea.

They will go in, little to no resistance and take them. They will have ultrasonic tech to scan within walls, they will confiscate your cars. Then, they will most likely charge you at work, at the gym, etc and take you in for felony posession. The few hold outs who manage to avoid these traps will either hide them so well that they are useless, or they will finally get their heroic last stand but it will be a slaughter because the cops are not going to go in unprepared or let themselves be outnumbered. The news will report these few as drug dealers or someone plotting a terrorist action so people wont even know what really happened.

The information would get out via YouTube, SMS, etc. Anonymous would insure it gets out to the masses and when the truth was revealed, we may be WROL in that case.

Don't forget that the government can shut down the internet in a heart beat along with all radio and telephone communications!

Well, there's shortwave radio, and I don't know if they could get every signal/frequency blocked for radio, I can see the telephones going down first, Internet is possible, not sure how easy that would be right now. I know they had a plan for it, but whether that was implemented, I don't know. I've also heard that a city can be shutdown (traffic blocked) in 15 minutes as well. I'm not exactly sure what they can and cannot do. Sometimes they have more abilities than we think they do, and other times we think they can do things, but can't. It most certainly keeps us guessing.

I do know some things they can do (due to my last job), but I can't say more than that. I will say that some information systems don't communicate with each other like we think they do (or should). Big Brother is still growing up in many ways.

[Heffay]

Don't forget that the government can shut down the internet in a heart beat along with all radio and telephone communications!

You really believe that??

[Uffdaphil]

If the Feds shut down the internet two things would happen immediately: 1.) the economy crashes. And 2.) Tens of millions become sympathizers and/or activists with our side.

[minnhawk]

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."
-Samuel Adams

[darkwolf45]

I love that quote. Brings a smile to my face everytime I see it.

[Stylin750]

Even IF it were to come to that for what are you really going to fight? The vast majority of Americans who are in TV-land and more concerned with their weekly welfare check than investing their lives into improving their lives?

You think the majority of Americans would be there cheering you on? No way. They'll be cheering on the the government cause you're a terrorist and interrupted their day.

Pretty freakin' sad, honestly. But I'd take my family and get the hell out.

No if we or when we have to stand up wed definately be looked as terrorists or the media would think of something else evil to call us, but I honestly think if we did nothing and few months or years later after they finally realized wth is happening. Theyd be angry and wandering why didnt good men stand up...thats my thoughts, so doomed either way, but id have to stand up for what i believe in for me and my family