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Fleet Farm Sporting Rifle Mag Policy

Postby xd ED on Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:37 am

45Badger wrote:Hmmmmmmmmmmmm :hmm:

Are you guys really supporting ammo purchase limits and mag purchase limits? I'll forward a link to this thread to Diane Feinstein and the Brady Bunch. They will be happy to know that they won't have much opposition from this "reasonable" crew. :doh:

It's Thursday, I have a cold, I'm old, and sometimes insensitive, so I apologize in advance if this is somehow offensive-

We have NO RIGHTS to cheap ammunition, mags, wanting to take up 3 gun next summer (at last years prices), etc. Or cheap gas, or milk, or daycare. Get over it and move on to something worthwhile. Really :roll:

if you asking if I support a business's right to sell it wares as they see fit, the answer is yes. It's an issue of the marketplace, not government regulation. An apples and cheeseburger comparison.
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Re: Fleet Farm Sporting Rifle Mag Policy

Postby Mn01r6 on Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:48 am

xd ED wrote:
45Badger wrote:Hmmmmmmmmmmmm :hmm:

Are you guys really supporting ammo purchase limits and mag purchase limits? I'll forward a link to this thread to Diane Feinstein and the Brady Bunch. They will be happy to know that they won't have much opposition from this "reasonable" crew. :doh:

It's Thursday, I have a cold, I'm old, and sometimes insensitive, so I apologize in advance if this is somehow offensive-

We have NO RIGHTS to cheap ammunition, mags, wanting to take up 3 gun next summer (at last years prices), etc. Or cheap gas, or milk, or daycare. Get over it and move on to something worthwhile. Really :roll:

if you asking if I support a business's right to sell it wares as they see fit, the answer is yes. It's an issue of the marketplace, not government regulation. An apples and cheeseburger comparison.


This.

Rationing as a businesses' self-chosen countermeasure to hoarding and profiteering is very different than the government saying you can only buy 1 box of ammo per day for the rest of eternity. I appreciate the former and abhor the latter. The former is a free market solution to a free market problem. It is not government regulation (although it was caused by the mere threat of government regulation). To me, it is just more evidence of how the government distorts and perverts the marketplace.
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Re: Fleet Farm Sporting Rifle Mag Policy

Postby shooter115 on Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:48 am

xd ED wrote:
45Badger wrote:Hmmmmmmmmmmmm :hmm:

Are you guys really supporting ammo purchase limits and mag purchase limits? I'll forward a link to this thread to Diane Feinstein and the Brady Bunch. They will be happy to know that they won't have much opposition from this "reasonable" crew. :doh:

It's Thursday, I have a cold, I'm old, and sometimes insensitive, so I apologize in advance if this is somehow offensive-

We have NO RIGHTS to cheap ammunition, mags, wanting to take up 3 gun next summer (at last years prices), etc. Or cheap gas, or milk, or daycare. Get over it and move on to something worthwhile. Really :roll:

if you asking if I support a business's right to sell it wares as they see fit, the answer is yes. It's an issue of the marketplace, not government regulation. An apples and cheeseburger comparison.

Exactly. A retailer has a right to control it's own product to regulate supply/demand. Not even close to the same as government regulation. :roll: back at ya
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Re: Fleet Farm Sporting Rifle Mag Policy

Postby TommyMN on Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:09 pm

45Badger wrote:Hmmmmmmmmmmmm :hmm:

Are you guys really supporting ammo purchase limits and mag purchase limits? I'll forward a link to this thread to Diane Feinstein and the Brady Bunch. They will be happy to know that they won't have much opposition from this "reasonable" crew. :doh:

It's Thursday, I have a cold, I'm old, and sometimes insensitive, so I apologize in advance if this is somehow offensive-

We have NO RIGHTS to cheap ammunition, mags, wanting to take up 3 gun next summer (at last years prices), etc. Or cheap gas, or milk, or daycare. Get over it and move on to something worthwhile. Really :roll:


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Re: Fleet Farm Sporting Rifle Mag Policy

Postby yuppiejr on Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:17 pm

Government imposed purchase limitations = bad, that's not what Fleet Farm is doing. I see a private business choosing to put some basic limits in place to specifically support their desire to have more people able to find what they want/need in their stores when they drop through and thus promote visit frequency (and perhaps add-on "while I'm here" purchases). Brick and mortar retailers need traffic and discretionary add-on purchases to support their higher overhead costs vs internet retailers, getting cleared out of high demand products by one or two buyers on the day they restock will likely drive people to other sources (primarily online) where they are not wasting the gas/time looking for an item that most likely won't be in stock anyway.
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Re: Fleet Farm Sporting Rifle Mag Policy

Postby Northland 7.62 on Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:02 pm

Very good call on Fleet Farm, Dave, the Huldra Arms Crew, and to the Mill's family!!!

I am very impressed to see the positive replies to Dave's post here, this goes to show a decent store like Fleet is not out to gouge their customers out of their last cent, nor are they going to stand by while a few "bad apples" ruin it for everyone. I know a lot of the folks who have created the Huldra Arm's Legacy and the new shooting range in Baxter, I have worked with them, shot with them, ect. It just goes to show their good ethics go a long way!
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Re: Fleet Farm Sporting Rifle Mag Policy

Postby yuppiejr on Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:41 pm

Just got back from Dick's, they have a sign out indicating "Limit of 6 boxes .223 / 5.56 ammo per customer until further notice" - mind you I don't see myself needing 6 boxes of Winchester PDX 60 grain at $35 per box...(all they had in stock)... but still.
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Re: Fleet Farm Sporting Rifle Mag Policy

Postby Dave Timm on Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:33 pm

45Badger wrote:Hmmmmmmmmmmmm :hmm:

Are you guys really supporting ammo purchase limits and mag purchase limits? I'll forward a link to this thread to Diane Feinstein and the Brady Bunch. They will be happy to know that they won't have much opposition from this "reasonable" crew. :doh:

It's Thursday, I have a cold, I'm old, and sometimes insensitive, so I apologize in advance if this is somehow offensive-

We have NO RIGHTS to cheap ammunition, mags, wanting to take up 3 gun next summer (at last years prices), etc. Or cheap gas, or milk, or daycare. Get over it and move on to something worthwhile. Really :roll:


Hi 45,
No we are not supporting purchase limits as you imply as if we are limiting or restricting your rights. We are putting in place a TEMPORARY policy of certain magazines to make sure we have products available to our customers who buy rifles. This is rather then a few people literally buying every magazine they can at our competitive prices (meaning we HAVE NOT RAISED our prices like some stores/sellers have) and put them on their shelves or sell them online for truly offensive prices to take advantage of panicked buyers. We don't want to raise our prices and we want to have product available for our customers to buy. I know some may be disappointed to learn they can't walk in and buy 100 pmags and then sell them online but we want to make our customers happy who comes in and buys a rifle and can also get some magazines to go with it. I do also know that several people, on here and other customers, don't do that and want to just buy a few mags for their own use. For that, I am sorry we can't help them currently, we would love to and are doing this so we can get product back in stock, keep our prices the same, and be able to continue to sell to everyone in the future. While I appreciate your feedback, comparing us to gun control, limiting rights, etc just isn't that same.

Also in regards to 3 gun, since I am a 3 gunner myself. If you come to a MN match that I am at, come by and say hello or squad with me. I'd love to see anyone get involved with this fun and challenging sport. I will even offer this, you come to a MN Match, such as SCAPSA in St. Cloud and I can be there, I will personally out of my own pocket pay your range fee. St. Cloud is a little closer for me then Minnetonka so I tend to make more of the St. Cloud matches. Or this, when we open our range we plan on having a monthly multi gun indoor match, you come to one, I'll pay your match fee there, your choice.

To everyone else, a sincere thank you for the support of our temporary policy, and our stores and products. We look forward to getting more stuff in stock and available as soon as we can.

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Re: Fleet Farm Sporting Rifle Mag Policy

Postby Big and Tasty on Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:57 pm

This thread and Dave's responses provide all the support I need to keep heading out to Fleet Farm in North St Paul on a regular basis. Fair, reasonable, and appropriate game plan.
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Re: Fleet Farm Sporting Rifle Mag Policy

Postby shooter115 on Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:01 pm

Dave.... YOU.... ARE.....THE.....MAN. I'll take you up on that offer, thanks buddy. Any chance you could cover me at the Midwest Championships this year too? The fun coupons are a little tight. While we're negotiating here.....When I come visit your new range I was hoping you would cover my gas and hotel..............Hmmmmm.............No............Damn :twisted:
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Re: Fleet Farm Sporting Rifle Mag Policy

Postby Dave Timm on Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:24 pm

My wife already took my fun coupons away too. Hopefully I can still go to Midwest. Shooter115 ill keep you updated on the range progress. When we have a indoor multi gun look me up. :D
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Re: Fleet Farm Sporting Rifle Mag Policy

Postby 45Badger on Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:30 pm

Dave-HuldraArms wrote:
45Badger wrote:Hmmmmmmmmmmmm :hmm:

Are you guys really supporting ammo purchase limits and mag purchase limits? I'll forward a link to this thread to Diane Feinstein and the Brady Bunch. They will be happy to know that they won't have much opposition from this "reasonable" crew. :doh:

It's Thursday, I have a cold, I'm old, and sometimes insensitive, so I apologize in advance if this is somehow offensive-

We have NO RIGHTS to cheap ammunition, mags, wanting to take up 3 gun next summer (at last years prices), etc. Or cheap gas, or milk, or daycare. Get over it and move on to something worthwhile. Really :roll:


Hi 45,
No we are not supporting purchase limits as you imply as if we are limiting or restricting your rights. We are putting in place a TEMPORARY policy of certain magazines to make sure we have products available to our customers who buy rifles. This is rather then a few people literally buying every magazine they can at our competitive prices (meaning we HAVE NOT RAISED our prices like some stores/sellers have) and put them on their shelves or sell them online for truly offensive prices to take advantage of panicked buyers. We don't want to raise our prices and we want to have product available for our customers to buy. I know some may be disappointed to learn they can't walk in and buy 100 pmags and then sell them online but we want to make our customers happy who comes in and buys a rifle and can also get some magazines to go with it. I do also know that several people, on here and other customers, don't do that and want to just buy a few mags for their own use. For that, I am sorry we can't help them currently, we would love to and are doing this so we can get product back in stock, keep our prices the same, and be able to continue to sell to everyone in the future. While I appreciate your feedback, comparing us to gun control, limiting rights, etc just isn't that same.

Also in regards to 3 gun, since I am a 3 gunner myself. If you come to a MN match that I am at, come by and say hello or squad with me. I'd love to see anyone get involved with this fun and challenging sport. I will even offer this, you come to a MN Match, such as SCAPSA in St. Cloud and I can be there, I will personally out of my own pocket pay your range fee. St. Cloud is a little closer for me then Minnetonka so I tend to make more of the St. Cloud matches. Or this, when we open our range we plan on having a monthly multi gun indoor match, you come to one, I'll pay your match fee there, your choice.

To everyone else, a sincere thank you for the support of our temporary policy, and our stores and products. We look forward to getting more stuff in stock and available as soon as we can.

Dave


Dave, I was not at all knocking what you are doing. I'm from the Ayn Rand school of thought and think a business should always do what is in it's own best interest. People too. And if everybody did that, the world could be a very productive, responsible and accountable place. Unfortunately, the world has more than a few who cannot stomach other people acting with more vigor and discipline than others. They seem to think they know better and want somebody other than themselves to do something about it. Some seem petty and jealous. And dishonest in that they are all about liberty, freedom, rights, etc -- until their ox is gored. Then they want some sort of intervention.

I think the current frenzy is silly and stupid, but am not whining that some entrepreneurial soul willing to spend his time and risk his money may be driving up the cost of stuff. Every deal requires a willing and able buyer, so I don't feel sorry for anybody. To be fair and transparent, I get to say that from the very comfortable position of late middle age, reasonably high disposable income, and being well stocked. I played the AR15 and ammo speculation game in the year before the 2008 elections and doubled++ my money in late 2008 and 2009 when a similar round of stupidity happened.

I clearly see that FF's policies are in what you consider to be your best interests, and applaud your efforts. It's a nice thing, and may be the first drop in an empty bucket of common sense. If I show up for a 3 gun deal, I'll let you pay for one of the whiners. I can pay my own way.

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Re: Fleet Farm Sporting Rifle Mag Policy

Postby aaron878 on Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:37 pm

Dave,

I was very pleased to purchase a Huldra Carbine, on the afternoon the President announced his task force, but unfortunately your stores were already completely cleaned out of additional magazines. Is there any mechanism to get on a backorder list? I'm sitting at home with my new rifle and scratching my head at the magazine situation.

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Re: Fleet Farm Sporting Rifle Mag Policy

Postby XDM45 on Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:41 pm

45Badger wrote:Hmmmmmmmmmmmm :hmm:

Are you guys really supporting ammo purchase limits and mag purchase limits? I'll forward a link to this thread to Diane Feinstein and the Brady Bunch. They will be happy to know that they won't have much opposition from this "reasonable" crew. :doh:



The gun crowd is some of the first to turn against themselves. Ask a hunter who needs an AR-15 sometime.

Also, I think instead of investing in some reloading gear, once prices fall, I'm going to stock up on my own ammo + 223/5/56 + PMAGS for the next time it happens, then I'll double my money. Good ROI as far as I can see based on past trends. $150 a PMAG for sale next time around sounds fair to me. Once the price drops, maybe I'll buy a few hundred of them.
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Re: Fleet Farm Sporting Rifle Mag Policy

Postby aaron878 on Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:22 pm

XDM45 wrote:The gun crowd is some of the first to turn against themselves. Ask a hunter who needs an AR-15 sometime.

Also, I think instead of investing in some reloading gear, once prices fall, I'm going to stock up on my own ammo + 223/5/56 + PMAGS for the next time it happens, then I'll double my money. Good ROI as far as I can see based on past trends. $150 a PMAG for sale next time around sounds fair to me. Once the price drops, maybe I'll buy a few hundred of them.


Sorry to say, but if we're going to have a situation where 30 round magazines cost $150 (which is unlikely due to the pre-ban supply we have now when compared to '94) there won't be a "next time" and prices won't fall. Legislation will either succeed or be defeated some time next session, and until that happens the market is going to be rough. If a ban is passed, prices won't drop again.
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