Philando Castile case. Officer charged

[Dill]

Where was his wallet? Gun was in right front pocket.

in his right, back pocket.

[INOR]

Sad case. I'm normally one to defend officers, but I just can't defend this guy's panic attack, as that's all that this really was. There was just no need for the officer to lose his **** and unload into the guy. Yes, Castile did a lot of things wrong, but still doesn't justify an officer racial profiling him and then crapping his pants over a situation that wasn't escalating. Movement isn't escalation folks. Seeing a gun is escalation, but even seeing a gun isn't enough escalation to unload into someone. Seeing a gun panning in yours or someone else's direction is, but there is no indication that ever happened here. The gun was in his pocket, remained in his pocket the entire time, and the officer's perception that he was "going for his gun" is not sufficient justification to unload into the guy, in my opinion. But I wasn't on the jury, so my opinion doesn't matter.

[yukonjasper]

I'm pretty sure these details were all discussed THOROUGHLY during the trial. I don't know how much more there is to add.

I was taught that everyone's life has a purpose, even in failure, where the mistakes serve as guideposts for others to know the tragedy of bad decisions.

My only fear is that there isn't enough wisdom within the groups of people that this would most benefit to catch the messages that this case clearly lays out.

RIP Philando.

Good luck Officer Yanez - your hell has just begun.

[Ghost]

Sad case. I'm normally one to defend officers, but I just can't defend this guy's panic attack, as that's all that this really was. There was just no need for the officer to lose his **** and unload into the guy. Yes, Castile did a lot of things wrong, but still doesn't justify an officer racial profiling him and then crapping his pants over a situation that wasn't escalating. Movement isn't escalation folks. Seeing a gun is escalation, but even seeing a gun isn't enough escalation to unload into someone. Seeing a gun panning in yours or someone else's direction is, but there is no indication that ever happened here. The gun was in his pocket, remained in his pocket the entire time, and the officer's perception that he was "going for his gun" is not sufficient justification to unload into the guy, in my opinion. But I wasn't on the jury, so my opinion doesn't matter.

Link to info on his racial profiling?

[FJ540]

Link to info on his racial profiling?

Suspect is black male, 20-30s, wide nose, dreads, likely stoned out of his mind (lots of robberies are done while under the influence)... Yep must be looking for one of these guys:



Ok, I have no idea if the BOLO mentioned drugs or not, but the rest is at least close.

[Ghost]

Link to info on his racial profiling?

Suspect is black male, 20-30s, wide nose, dreads, likely stoned out of his mind (lots of robberies are done while under the influence)... Yep must be looking for one of these guys:



Ok, I have no idea if the BOLO mentioned drugs or not, but the rest is at least close.

So the BOLO is racist, not the cop.

[BigBlue]

So the BOLO is racist, not the cop.

No, the BOLO was factual, not racist. Just not filled with extreme detail. Referencing physical/visible attributes, including race, is not racist. Geez, this world is so ridiculous with these 'racist' ramblings these days.

[jdege]

Maybe we should make it illegal to use lethal force until after the bad guy racks the slide and clicks off the safety on his Glock like in the movies?

I thought you had to wait until he held the gun sideways for the killshot?

[Ghost]

So the BOLO is racist, not the cop.

No, the BOLO was factual, not racist. Just not filled with extreme detail. Referencing physical/visible attributes, including race, is not racist. Geez, this world is so ridiculous with these 'racist' ramblings these days.

I'm just pointing out the officer wasn't racist for doing his job.

I can see why he was pulled over and he clearly wasn't listening during the stop

[INOR]

Nor was the officer listening to him. Watch the dash cam video. Castile was calm and polite. Referring to yanez as sir. Yanez was being vague and contradictory. Had just asked for license and insurance. Then philando informed him he was carrying. Yanez told him then not to pull it out. Castile told him that he was not pulling it out. But I think he was going for his license in his right rear pocket when the cop unloaded in him. No gun was ever displayed. Cop just **** a brick and killed him unnecessarily.

Yes, Castile should have frozen and waited for further instruction. Yes, he shouldn't have been under influence of marijuana. Yes he screwed that part up. But he died unnecessarily at the hands of a cop who suffered a full blown panic attack.

It's bothersome that so many are so quick to defend a cop no matter what the circumstances. The cop screwed the pooch on this one. And killed a permit holder who was polite and doing his best to comply. It didn't need to escalate to that.


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[yukonjasper]

Yes, Castile should have frozen and waited for further instruction. Yes, he shouldn't have been under influence of marijuana. Yes he screwed that part up. But he died unnecessarily at the hands of a cop who suffered a full blown panic attack.

It's bothersome that so many are so quick to defend a cop no matter what the circumstances. The cop screwed the pooch on this one. And killed a permit holder who was polite and doing his best to comply. It didn't need to escalate to that.

What is bothersome is that the race card is being played so much the paper is wearing thin. All of the issues you seem to want to excuse are part of the reason he was shot. You acknowledged that he DIDN'T freeze and wait for further instruction, he DIDN'T refrain from smoking weed and driving and carrying a pistol, he DIDN'T do what you are supposed to do to not get shot.

So as much as you want to blame it on the Cop, please be intellectually honest enough to realize there is plenty of blame to go around here. There are any number of posts here that outline the consensus for how any of us, regardless of color or carry status, should handle a traffic stop. Very little was exercised by the driver.

[Ghost]

Yes, Castile should have frozen and waited for further instruction. Yes, he shouldn't have been under influence of marijuana. Yes he screwed that part up. But he died unnecessarily at the hands of a cop who suffered a full blown panic attack.

It's bothersome that so many are so quick to defend a cop no matter what the circumstances. The cop screwed the pooch on this one. And killed a permit holder who was polite and doing his best to comply. It didn't need to escalate to that.

What is bothersome is that the race card is being played so much the paper is wearing thin. All of the issues you seem to want to excuse are part of the reason he was shot. You acknowledged that he DIDN'T freeze and wait for further instruction, he DIDN'T refrain from smoking weed and driving and carrying a pistol, he DIDN'T do what you are supposed to do to not get shot.

So as much as you want to blame it on the Cop, please be intellectually honest enough to realize there is plenty of blame to go around here. There are any number of posts here that outline the consensus for how any of us, regardless of color or carry status, should handle a traffic stop. Very little was exercised by the driver.

+1

[wasfuzz]

Maybe I am missing something - but everyone keeps referring to him as a Permit Holder - it was not valid. It was an invalid piece of paper. He violated the laws regarding owning a firearm and therefore was not eligible to have a permit! Plus it is likely he lied on his application to obtain a permit. Its kinda like a 4 time revoked DUI driver who plows into someone and everyone says he had a license, just cause he had it in his possession does not make it valid. - his license was revoked/suspended.

[unfitmother]

If someone is denied a permit because they use a class 1 drug, they aren't also shot on the spot. Philando's drug use does not excuses Yanez from killing him.

Are you a proponent of constitutional carry? If so, does it really matter if Philando's permit is technically invalid? He went through the channels to obtain a permit, yet he is still a criminal in the eyes of so many.

[FJ540]

One of the very small pieces of information revealed by Reynolds that I believe (I don't believe much she says), is that she and Mr Phil smoked weed every day for the two years prior. His license was issued a year prior to his demise (Yanez isn't off the hook from a bad shoot IMO), which does mean he was in violation of federal law when he applied.

What if we get rid of the ridiculous qualifications for self defense that aren't allowed by the 2A? Lets go back to shall not be infringed and start this over.


He didn't follow conflicting commands and was not of sound mental disposition to correct the situation without spooking Yanez.

Now I'm all about constitutional carry, and I don't agree with non-violent felons having to jump hoops for 10 years before getting their gun rights back (if they can't manage a lethal weapon, they should still be locked up!), but one of the things that we should all take away from this scenario is how important how to handle an officer interaction where the weapon becomes an issue is handled and it should be a significant teaching point in our state mandated BS permit process - for our own benefit as carry permit holders.

I have to wonder about the $50 and a .22lr teachers and what kind of students they're pumping out. How many more Mr. Phil's are on the streets waiting for an officer to spook when they blurt out "I have a gun."