Would you sell your gun to this guy?

[Scott Notaeh]

http://www.armslist.com/posts/197966/minneapolis-minnesota-handguns-want-to-buy--hi-point-jhp--45-acp

Why is everyone ganging up against this kid? Are you saying that people should not have guns? He is not professional enough to own a gun? He is not old enough to purchase a gun? Don't think people should be allowed to buy Hi Points? Any brand of gun used in a crime should not be sold? Which laws are being broken? What Armslist rules are being violated? What am I missing? I don't understand.

[xd ED]

".... Make me an offer. Good condition preferred. I'll need you to drive to me. ...."

I wonder what he's got for ID?

[Scott Notaeh]

".... Make me an offer. Good condition preferred. I'll need you to drive to me. ...."

I wonder what he's got for ID?

Got it. It is people who don't drive who should not be allowed to have guns.

[Shipyard]

http://www.armslist.com/posts/197966/minneapolis-minnesota-handguns-want-to-buy--hi-point-jhp--45-acp

Why is everyone ganging up against this kid? Are you saying that people should not have guns? He is not professional enough to own a gun? He is not old enough to purchase a gun? Don't think people should be allowed to buy Hi Points? Any brand of gun used in a crime should not be sold? Which laws are being broken? What Armslist rules are being violated? What am I missing? I don't understand.

my gut check:

1. no permit. required by law? no. would i ever sell a gun to someone without? hell no. you do what you want.
2. wants me to come to them. kind of a red flag - most people have the ability/means to drive. those that don't either can't afford it or have had it taken away. i would wager the later category outweighs the first anymore. an assumtion,yes - but if i don't feel good about it, i ain't doin it.
3. he's 18. again, legal? i suppose. good idea? not really.
4. people askign to buy a used gun that retails for under $150 - you ain't buyin it for reliability. you ain't buyin it for a collection piece, you ain't buyin it because it's something that's ben proven by professional agencies as apropriate for defense work. two reason to buy one of these POS: throw away gangsta gun, or it's all you can afford and it's better than a pointy stick. with the price of other used taurus etc out there, a specific request for a hi-point seems odd. perhaps it sall the person can afford and it fits there hand and they've done their research? maybe, but again, seems iffy. my gut tells me run.
5. and then, by extrapolation, either this person knows 100% what they're doing getting the hi-point for self defense OR, or they just want a cheap blaster, don't care much about anything other than making a noise in their hand. if the first, awesome. god speed good pilgrim. if the second - i dont' want anything i've ever touched anywhere near them. if the later, in the BEST of circumstances they have good intentions and the worst case is they shoot themselves or someone they care about accidentally because they don't have a clue what the hell they're doing. in the worst case of the worst case, they don't give two ******* about permits to carry, holsters or innocent bystanders.

it's all a bit too much for my tastes.

IS IT LEGAL: by all appearances yes.

IS IT A GOOD IDEA: shippy says hell no.


my granddaddy always said: just becuase you CAN - doesn't mean you SHOULD. and he died with all his fingers

[xd ED]

".... Make me an offer. Good condition preferred. I'll need you to drive to me. ...."

I wonder what he's got for ID?

Got it. It is people who don't drive who should not be allowed to have guns.

I believe the original question was: " Would you sell your gun to this guy?",i.e.: Would you do business with this individual under these circumstances?
Feel free to sell him yours.


ETA: What Shippy said

[Scott Notaeh]

So if a guy is 20 years old and does not have a car, but wants an inexpensive handgun for home defense, what should he do?

Edit: I guess mnglocker got it. Get a permit to purchase an AR and use that. Fair enough.

[mnglocker]

So if a guy is 20 years old and does not have a car, but wants an inexpensive handgun for home defense, what should he do?

Chances are pretty good that if he's 20 years old and doesn't have a car, he's pretty broke and can't afford a home to defend, besides a shotgun rules the roost in the house.

And see the answer above your post.

[Cuda66]

So if a guy is 20 years old and does not have a car, but wants an inexpensive handgun for home defense, what should he do?

Buy a single-shot 12ga.

Cheaper, more effective than a handgun, and he can buy it from a dealer.

[xd ED]

So if a guy is 20 years old and does not have a car, but wants an inexpensive handgun for home defense, what should he do?

Chances are pretty good that if he's 20 years old and doesn't have a car, he's pretty broke and can't afford a home to defend, besides a shotgun rules the roost in the house.

And see the answer above your post.

Beat me to it

[Scott Notaeh]

Guess I should buy a shotgun. Interesting that if I don't own a house, I don't need to defend my home.

Obviously, sell or don't sell to whoever you want. At 16 you can purchase and drive a car that is one of the most vicious and deadly killers of innocent people and children. For whatever reason, you can't buy a handgun per law until 18 but only if you buy from a private party. Seems silly to me.

Would you sell your used car to one of these young persons who will be more likely to kill someone with it than with the gun you won't sell them?

[xd ED]

Guess I should buy a shotgun. Interesting that if I don't own a house, I don't need to defend my home.

Obviously, sell or don't sell to whoever you want. At 16 you can purchase and drive a car that is one of the most vicious and deadly killers of innocent people and children. For whatever reason, you can't buy a handgun per law until 18 but only if you buy from a private party. Seems silly to me.

Would you sell your used car to one of these young persons who will be more likely to kill someone with it than with the gun you won't sell them?

I don't believe there is any following liability for a vehicular transaction, but then, IANAL.

[Hammer99...]

I might. He seems to clearly understand the law. I would probably contact him, start a dialogue and see how I feel after that. So far all I know is he's under 21 and doesn't drive. Maybe he's just a kid who lost his legs serving our country. So like I said, I might.

[Shipyard]

Guess I should buy a shotgun. Interesting that if I don't own a house, I don't need to defend my home.

Obviously, sell or don't sell to whoever you want. At 16 you can purchase and drive a car that is one of the most vicious and deadly killers of innocent people and children. For whatever reason, you can't buy a handgun per law until 18 but only if you buy from a private party. Seems silly to me.

Would you sell your used car to one of these young persons who will be more likely to kill someone with it than with the gun you won't sell them?

i don't think anyone really disagrees with you Scott - no one is saying that an 18 year old who can't/doesn't drive who rents who doesn't have a gov't issued piece of paper should NOT be allowed to exercize their 2nd amendment RIGHT to defend themselves against evil. we're all on the same page there - he SHOULD be able to.

the reality though, is we have a system inplace in MN which governs the purchase and transfer of firearms. is a car more deadly? 100% possible.

BUT - consider:

senario 1: you sell a car to an 18 yr old who has no drivers licence - they run over 6 kids at the bus stop the next day. when arrested he says "oh yeah, i bought the car from this guy..." and the jury in the court gets to hear...

senario 2: you sell a handgun to an 18 yr old who has no permit - they turn around and shoot 6 kids at the bus stop the next day. when arrested he says "oh yeah, i bought the gun from this guy..." and the jury in court gets to hear...

if i was a prosecutor and i had to choose between the two in order to get a win i know which one i'd take any day fo the week... i don't care how legal things are or are not - when a gun is involved you're an instant monster in a court room.

it is what it is...

[Livngr8ful]

I'm one of the guys that have all the documentation needed to buy from a FFL vendor and to carry. I am also one of the guys that does not give my ID to people that don't have credentials or coverage to protect me from Identity theft. I think most people on here are trust worthy, I still need to protect my identification. Thats why I will always sign a bill of sale and see their MN ID. But I wont give my carry permit or PTP unless it is asked for by the PD or a FFL. Its amazing what people can do with very little information. Its not to step on toes by any means. If you are selling as a private party within the law then you are doing what you need to. If you are going to ask or give your ID then go through an accredited dealer for the transaction. Then you have your ID verification you want, and they buyer has some sort of coverage against miss use of the ID's and numbers they have. IF you look at the stats. You are more likely to be a victim of ID theft than selling a gun to an individual with criminal intent. Plus, a bill of sale with a serial# shows you sold the gun and it is no longer your possession. As for the kid trying to buy the gun... Why beat him up about his trying to get a pistol? You know nothing about him so what are you pinning him as some sort of a thug? IF you don't feel comfortable about dealing with him, then don't. It's like a bunch of teen aged girls "let's see who we can talk **** about now". Its amazing that we all want to have our freedoms with arms, but we also tighten the cuffs and add our own regulations when we feel. Do your business as you choose, I respect that. But don't act like people are doing something wrong when they are well with in the law's.

[Squib Joe]

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