Just a quick note, if anyone is considering the S&W SD line as an alternative to a Glock 19 or 23, they are not the same gun. The SD VE series is a great gun for $300 don't get me wrong, but to compare it to the Glock, it's not really in the same class as far as fit and general aesthetics go. I can see and feel a $200 difference without shooting. Just thought I would pass some info along as I often hear when roaming around on the interweb how they match up almost even.