Oklahoma: dispatcher tells woman its ok to shoot intruder

[countrymama]

You can listen to the 911 call is at the bottom of the page of the 2nd link. I can't believe having to go thru this. And I'm even more impressed that the dispatcher tells her its ok to shoot the intruder and then that no charges were filed.

A local paper's report on it: http://www.stillwater-newspress.com/loc ... 04808.html Kinda sad how they trimmed it down to be less than what it was.

Donna Jackson Shoots Intruder
Donna Jackson Shoots Intruder with Shotgun in Oklahoma: Billy Dean Riley Dies at End of Donna Jackson's Shotgun
Donna Jackson, in Cushing, Oklahoma, was on the phone with 911 as a man tried to break into her home. Jackson was home by herself. As she talks to 911, the dogs continue to bark and he bangs on the door. Jackson gets her 16-gauge shotgun out. The 911 operator can hear him knocking and yelling. Listen to it below. (this report is paraphrased)

Jackson says he is "crazy." She gives 911 instructs for police on how to get in the front gate, the dog's name and where to find a key to the house. The dispatcher asks if she can go to a room and lock herself in. Jackson eventually says I've got a shotgun and I'm not going in a tiny room.

The Operator tells her that she has the 'okay' to defend her property. I don't want to kill this man, but I will kill him. He's kicking the door. He's going to make it in. Please hurry.

Jackson says she thinks he is drunk. Oh dear God,...it's a big shotgun. It will break my arm. As soon as the police get here I'm putting the safety on. Jackson says he keeps yelling "Pat." He's getting ready to break a window.

The man picked up plastic patio table and threw it through the patio door.

Oh, he's got it. He came through the window. She put the phone down. She tells the Operator he is in the house and she is going to shoot. Eventually she does. Oh please dear God I think I killed him. Please dear God in heaven, I think he's dead. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry Father.

The police are still not there. The Operator calls Medi-Flight.

Listen to this woman's anguish. Her anguish for his family. There's only one way to look at this. This man did this to himself. The dead man is Billy Dean Riley. He was 53 years old and the photo above is from a 2005 mugshot. Donna Jackson did not know him. The police do not arrive for what appears to be over 24 minutes after the 911 call begins. The report from NewsOK is here. I've never heard anything like this. I bet you haven't either.

[RobD]

[hammAR]

24 minutes.....the SOB had time to kill her, taken a shower, had a cold one with a sandwich........

appears to be a clean, justified shoot..............

24 effen minutes............

[plblark]

The story byline is Cushing, OK but the original story is Drumright. Small town (Pop: 2905) anyway. But Drumright has a regional hospital and a police station according to Google

[Paul]

The story byline is Cushing, OK but the original story is Drumright. Small town (Pop: 2905) anyway. But Drumright has a regional hospital and a police station according to Google

They may have a police station... But good chance they do not have 24 hour police coverage. Good chance that the responding officer was a deputy from the county sheriff, or or possibly even a state trooper.

[plblark]

That's what the story sounded like. When the Deputies arrived.

My grandparent's town has a Police Station. and one shared officer across several county towns. I know how that situation plays out. Heck, the local regional hospital and extension ag college is just one town over and they have the same setup. That's part of what made this story resonate. help is NOT coming. YOU are the last line of defense in rural America. That's due to staffing and distance.

Extend that to our own local issues and it's the same. MPD has IIRC 9+ minute average response to Priority 1 calls. Staffing, number of incidents, traffic, rivers, roads, etc can extend response time even in the big city.

[hammAR]

Just for clarification, my comment WAS NOT directed at any LEO's involved with this situation............
it was directed at the POS-PC crowd that believe .....
a) the .gov will take care of you,
b) that 911 is always the answer, and
c-z) that there is no reason for people to own guns..........

of course they do not offer free burial services for all the folks that they recommend this crap too.....

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[plblark]

Sorry if I was not clear, I intended to make the point User842 did but posted it half finished. Sorry.

[Paul]

Yup... It's one of the unfortunate realities of living in a more rural area... Something you have to be aware of, and ready to deal with.

[plblark]

It's not just rural though.

Extend that to our own local issues and it's the same. MPD has IIRC 9+ minute average response to Priority 1 calls. Staffing, number of incidents, traffic, rivers, roads, etc can extend response time even in the big city.

[Paul]

It's not just rural though.

Extend that to our own local issues and it's the same. MPD has IIRC 9+ minute average response to Priority 1 calls. Staffing, number of incidents, traffic, rivers, roads, etc can extend response time even in the big city.

True... I bet if you go to a nearby suburb like Roseville, Apple Valley, wherever... That number drops considerably due to the decrease in traffic. Good and bad wherever you go.

[plblark]

Not a priority 1 call issue but I know when your toddler dials 911 playing with the phone they call back. If your wife doesn't answer (the Caller ID said something she didn't recognize and she was dealing with kids), it's abotu 5 minutes before 2 of Roseville's finest show up to check on things. I called and thanked them. This is not a dig on RPD at all. but 5 minutes is a LONG time if it had been an issue. Nothing more / better RPD could have done short of happening to be IN my driveway when the call went out.

The police are doing a tough job with limited resources and a pretty big response area and busy call log. They simply cannot be there immediately like Superman when something happens. It's like knowing CPR because you don't expect an EMT to magically appear when someone stops breathing ...

YOU are the FIRST responder. Be prepared.

[Paul]

Not a priority 1 call issue but I know when your toddler dials 911 playing with the phone they call back. If your wife doesn't answer (the Caller ID said something she didn't recognize and she was dealing with kids), it's abotu 5 minutes before 2 of Roseville's finest show up to check on things. I called and thanked them. This is not a dig on RPD at all. but 5 minutes is a LONG time if it had been an issue. Nothing more / better RPD could have done short of happening to be IN my driveway when the call went out.

The police are doing a tough job with limited resources and a pretty big response area and busy call log. They simply cannot be there immediately like Superman when something happens. It's like knowing CPR because you don't expect an EMT to magically appear when someone stops breathing ...

YOU are the FIRST responder. Be prepared.

Also depends on the department's procedures for that type of call... Most departments don't go screaming down the road with lights and sirens for a 911 hang up. But you're right about the response availability and so on.

[plblark]

It's not? COme on now

I must not be doing well enough in conveying this. I thought their response time was FAST and appreciated both off them coming to check. if it had been a legitimate emergency, I WANT them there ASAP. They did that and it was far beyond my expectations.

I was trying to convey that even in the best possible situation, the police cannot be everywhere. They're not magical answers to all problems and teleporter technology does not exist. 5 minutes, 9 minutes, or 24 minutes ... every SECOND is probably a lifetime when your life is in danger. but the time when effective means of defense is necessary is NOW, no matter when the police are going to arrive. Having the means available to save your own life and that of your family while the police are screaming down the road with lights and sirens blazing praying you're all right is YOUR responsibility.

[countrymama]

Yup... It's one of the unfortunate realities of living in a more rural area... Something you have to be aware of, and ready to deal with.

I'm not sure if its unfortunate. it just is. it is a choice i make by choosing to live in the sticks. yes, its possible that my chances of being a target of crime *MAY* be reduced, but then again, maybe not, since meth labs and users are hitting rural areas with ferocity.

but i agree... certainly be aware of it and be ready to deal with it. its no different than being ready to defend if a bear breaks in.

an intruder is an intruder and regardless of type of critter, is likely to get shot if entering my home or property uninvited.