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Re: Nigerian trying to blow up jet

Postby westberg on Sun Dec 27, 2009 7:41 pm

Got it ;) :lol: :lol:
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Re: Nigerian trying to blow up jet

Postby hammAR on Sun Dec 27, 2009 7:51 pm

1911fan wrote:How many of these have happened with a US passported Individual, how many with a foreign national passported to nigeria, egypt, Saudi or yemen, just block them from flying, keep em off the planes.

just say, sorry, you keep letting extremists grown in your region, we will ban you from flying. fix it yourself.

once they stop, then we stop. make bacon the test, eat a bacon sandwich and you can fly.....


It is not that simple, they do not live by your laws, ethics, or morals. They need to fear the US, they need to know with no uncertainty that if they come out of their cave or mud hut and piss in our gas tank that they will pay, and pay dearly.............and while we are at it, we need to disassemble CHAIR, ALF/ELF/Environmentalists, ACLU, Judges that legislate from the bench, politicians that can not honour their oaths and those that continually re-write the Constitution, and a few others that are hell bent on the destruction of this country, both from internal and external forces/opponents................. :evil:

"And *then* what are you prepared to do? If you open the can on these worms you must be prepared to go all the way. Because they're not gonna give up the fight, until one of you is dead............................They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue."....Malone

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Re: Nigerian trying to blow up jet

Postby westberg on Sun Dec 27, 2009 8:04 pm

Now your talking Judge Roy.
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Re: Nigerian trying to blow up jet

Postby 1911fan on Sun Dec 27, 2009 9:12 pm

My original response when I heard this on the Radio, was that every one in his family should be dead by noon tomorrow. but then, his dad reported him as a terror nut job sometime last year. SO somebody in TSA messed up by not banning him.

When we find out who paid for his ticket and who paid for his bomb, we need to turn their town into a great smooth black glassy spot in the desert.
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Re: Nigerian trying to blow up jet

Postby 45usp45 on Sun Dec 27, 2009 10:14 pm

hammAR wrote:
1911fan wrote:How many of these have happened with a US passported Individual, how many with a foreign national passported to nigeria, egypt, Saudi or yemen, just block them from flying, keep em off the planes.

just say, sorry, you keep letting extremists grown in your region, we will ban you from flying. fix it yourself.

once they stop, then we stop. make bacon the test, eat a bacon sandwich and you can fly.....


It is not that simple, they do not live by your laws, ethics, or morals. They need to fear the US, they need to know with no uncertainty that if they come out of their cave or mud hut and piss in our gas tank that they will pay, and pay dearly.............and while we are at it, we need to disassemble CHAIR, ALF/ELF/Environmentalists, ACLU, Judges that legislate from the bench, politicians that can not honour their oaths and those that continually re-write the Constitution, and a few others that are hell bent on the destruction of this country, both from internal and external forces/opponents................. :evil:

"And *then* what are you prepared to do? If you open the can on these worms you must be prepared to go all the way. Because they're not gonna give up the fight, until one of you is dead............................They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue."....Malone

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Re: Nigerian trying to blow up jet

Postby Pat on Mon Dec 28, 2009 10:15 am

I have been through Amsterdam's Schiphol airport dozens of times over the years. Their security makes any U.S. airport look like slackards. In Schiphol, you are interviewed be three separate people, who actually engage you in conversation. They're looking for any sign that you maybe nervous or perhaps on drugs. Right next to your little conversation, there are three big Dutch farm kids with sub guns and a very large, mean looking dog or two. Cameras are everywhere.
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Re: Nigerian trying to blow up jet

Postby hammAR on Mon Dec 28, 2009 10:22 am

Apparently they did their job............. :paper:
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Re: Nigerian trying to blow up jet

Postby Pat on Mon Dec 28, 2009 10:30 am

More on the way...

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... 785733.ece

By STAFF REPORTERS

Published: Today
FAILED plane bomber Umar Abdulmutallab has bragged to FBI agents that there are more young men plotting to launch attacks on the West.

The 23-year-old Nigerian has told security chiefs of a sinister network in Yemen who are ready and waiting to strike.

The reports come after The Sun revealed that cops fear that 25 British-born Muslims are plotting to bomb Western airliners.

The fanatics, in five groups, are now training at secret terror camps in Yemen.

It was there London-educated Abdulmutallab prepared for his Christmas Day bid to blow up a US jet.

The British extremists in Yemen are in their early 20s and from Bradford, Luton and Leytonstone, East London.

They are due to return to the UK early in 2010 and will then await internet instructions from al-Qaeda on when to strike.

A Scotland Yard source said: "The great fear is Abdulmutallab is the first of many ready to attack planes and kill tens of thousands.

"We know there are four or five radicalised British Muslim cells in the Yemen.

Armed officers were also spotted around the airport site and all the luggage was laid out in a long line on the tarmac to be thoroughly searched.
Scare ... luggage on tarmac after Nigerian passenger fell ill
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"They are due back within months when they will be under constant surveillance."

The 25 suspects, of Pakistani and Somali descent, were radicalised in UK mosques.

Some had been to university and studied engineering or computer sciences.

Others were former street gang members.

Monitored

Special Branch monitored them as they flew to Yemen, in the Middle East, from British airports in the spring and summer.

In almost every case, their tickets were paid for in cash and bought less than a week before travel.

The source added: "Imams would have promised them rewards in heaven for becoming suicide bombers prepared to kill Westerners."

PM Gordon Brown and Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Paul Stephenson were being briefed.

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Watch list ... Alan Johnson

Today Alan Johnson confirmed Abdulmutallab had been refused a new visa and placed on a watch list last May after applying for a bogus course.

Mr Johnson said: "If you are on our watch list then you do not come into this country.

"You can come through this country if you are in transit to another country but you cannot come into this country."

The Home Secretary said US authorities should theoretically have been informed, and he doubted there had been a "hiccup" in procedures.

American officials have said Abdulmutallab was on one of their "long" watch lists, but was not banned from travelling.

Mr Johnson also said he did not believe Abdulmutallab was acting alone.

He added: "We don't know yet whether it was a single-handed plot or (there were) other people behind it - I suspect it's the latter rather than the former."

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Dutch cops are investigating claims that an accomplice helped Abdulmutallab board a flight from Amsterdam to Detroit.

A US couple on the flight, Kurt and Lori Haskell, said they saw a tall, well-dressed man aged about 50 with Abdulmutallab on Friday morning at Amsterdam's Schiphol Airport.

The Haskells have claimed the man spoke for Abdulmutallab and attempted to get him aboard Northwest flight 253 without a passport.

Disappearance

Abdulmutallab's family released a statement today saying they alerted security agencies two months ago after losing contact with him.

The Nigerian's parents described his disappearance as "completely out of character" and a "very recent development".

Abdulmutallab's family said they had lost contact with him while he was studying abroad.

The statement said: "His father, having become concerned about his disappearance and stoppage of communication while schooling abroad, reported the matter to Nigerian security agencies about two months ago and to some foreign security agencies about a month and a half ago".

The warnings came as another Nigerian was last night held in Detroit on the same flight attacked on Christmas Day. It later emerged the man had fallen ill.

Al-Qaeda in Yemen warned the West four days before Friday's attack that a bombing was imminent.

Terrorist Mohammed al-Kalwi issued the video threat in the wake of a Yemeni airstrike on a militant training camp.

Al-Kalwi was reportedly killed in another airstrike on Thursday.

President Barack Obama's administration is to review all airport security.

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Re: Nigerian trying to blow up jet

Postby Vlad on Mon Dec 28, 2009 11:20 am

I am not knowledgeable in this area and so need to ask a somewhat stupid question. Can a foreign national buy a plane ticket to a US city without having a visa? I guess I am trying to figure out why he was going to do in Detroit once he got here? I know his plan was to blow up the plane and did not have actual plans in Detroit but when they buy a ticket like this do they have to have proof that their trip is valid?
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Re: Nigerian trying to blow up jet

Postby Paul on Mon Dec 28, 2009 11:23 am

I believe he had a a Visa, at least according to the news.
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Re: Nigerian trying to blow up jet

Postby ex-LT on Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:01 pm

He did have a visa. What he DIDN'T have was luggage. You would think that a person purchasing a one-way ticket, and not checking any luggage would raise a HUGE red flag. Short answer is, SOMEONE failed to do their job.
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Re: Nigerian trying to blow up jet

Postby hammAR on Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:03 pm

MNNavy wrote:You would think that a person purchasing a one-way ticket, and not checking any luggage would raise a HUGE red flag..


Only IF you or I did it.......remember it is against the rules to profile.... :?
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Re: Nigerian trying to blow up jet

Postby Vlad on Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:11 pm

How the EFFfffffff could he be elgible for a visa after dad turned him in? Is there a problem with the necessary departments communicating to each other... :shock: I would think that if you are on the no fly list, you also would be in-elgible for a visa for any reason...
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Re: Nigerian trying to blow up jet

Postby westberg on Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:13 pm

Vlad wrote:How the EFFfffffff could he be elgible for a visa after dad turned him in? Is there a problem with the necessary departments communicating to each other... :shock: I would think that if you are on the no fly list, you also would be in-elgible for a visa for any reason...

He most likely had the visa before dad ratted on him.
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Re: Nigerian trying to blow up jet

Postby Paul on Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:15 pm

westberg wrote:
Vlad wrote:How the EFFfffffff could he be elgible for a visa after dad turned him in? Is there a problem with the necessary departments communicating to each other... :shock: I would think that if you are on the no fly list, you also would be in-elgible for a visa for any reason...

He most likely had the visa before dad ratted on him.


Yes... And they said he was not on the 'no fly list'. He was on a terror watch list though... So same thoughts apply.
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