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Re: Need some advice on a carry gun

Postby hammAR on Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:03 am

Belgiboy wrote:Oh, I know about Chesty Puller. I think his Marines' landing at Inchon in Korea is one of the most brilliantly executed military feats that nobody knows about. That's why I'm disappointed that a chest rig bearing his name looks so dorky.


Functionality and "pretty" rarely, if ever, go hand in hand................unless you are discussing women...... :?
Besides that is an inappropriate and bastardised version of a Chesty Puller rig.................
You should talk to Vlad, he has a real nice carry rig for big guns (with or without glass) in the woods stuff.................
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Re: Need some advice on a carry gun

Postby EJSG19 on Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:19 am

That chesty holster looks like there is very little actually holding it in place. Does the holster move up and down several inches when you go to draw? Looks like it would, but maybe looks are deceiving. On that guy at least, it looks like there would be 3-4'' of vertical slack in the harness, as it sits there.

Compared to Vlad's shoulder rig, I'd ask Vlad to make me one no question. Magnetic closure option por favor.
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Re: Need some advice on a carry gun

Postby goalie on Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:59 pm

hammAR wrote:You should talk to Vlad, he has a real nice carry rig for big guns (with or without glass) in the woods stuff.................


Web site? I am quitting rifle hunting for deer until I get one with the .44 magnum, and I may as well go for comfort, since, the way I shoot a handgun, that might be a while.........
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Re: Need some advice on a carry gun

Postby Stradawhovious on Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:09 pm

I don't think he has the rig on the site. you may want to send him a PM.
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Re: Need some advice on a carry gun

Postby Lugh on Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:03 pm

scout wrote:Secondly, I intend to carry this while camping/hiking... I do a lot of hiking/camping deep in the bush and I often think of what if I ran across a bad guy or worse if someone tried to attack me or my family at night while camping... (I have had this happen before) also, not that this would *ever* happen but if a bear (I'm often up in the BWCA) or another large animal got a little too curious/aggressive... I feel more comforted knowing I could throw some hot rocks instead of just banging pots and pans (of course, it'd be a last resort).


Yelling and banging pots usually does the job, as does traveling with others. My brother has, at various points, chased off 800 pounds of brown bear by holding a bike over his head and yelling rugby chants. Another time my brother and my uncle defeated a bear by doing jumping jacks and yelling until it decided they were too weird to eat and wandered off. Personally, I've never felt the need to carry a gun for dealing with bears. Follow good bear safety procedure and you shouldn't have any trouble.

Just poking through the wiki article on fatal bear attacks, and most of the incidents listed are cases where the victim wasn't practicing basic bear safety. Traveling in back country alone, keeping bears as pets, feeding bears. And I have to ask, has anyone ever actually shot at a bear with a 9mm? It's not going to drop it right off, but in my experience bears are lazy, skittish, and dislike loud noises and strange doings. I can't help wonder if taking a few bullets of any caliber would be enough to encourage a bear to go find someone else to bother.

Moose, though, moose are freaking psychotic. Probably want to pack a bren gun or something for them.
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Re: Need some advice on a carry gun

Postby SAM on Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:17 pm

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Re: Need some advice on a carry gun

Postby hammAR on Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:25 pm

goalie wrote:
hammAR wrote:You should talk to Vlad, he has a real nice carry rig for big guns (with or without glass) in the woods stuff.................


Web site? I am quitting rifle hunting for deer until I get one with the .44 magnum, and I may as well go for comfort, since, the way I shoot a handgun, that might be a while.........


Don't know if he has it on site, I believe that he has pictures that he could email,
but I have seen it.....great quality, made of harness leather with brass fittings.........
three strap, adjustable to place and fit where you are comfortable....
and like a Puller, with belt tie downs......
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Re: Need some advice on a carry gun

Postby DanM on Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:44 pm

Lugh wrote:Yelling and banging pots usually does the job, as does traveling with others. My brother has, at various points, chased off 800 pounds of brown bear by holding a bike over his head and yelling rugby chants. Another time my brother and my uncle defeated a bear by doing jumping jacks and yelling until it decided they were too weird to eat and wandered off. Personally, I've never felt the need to carry a gun for dealing with bears. Follow good bear safety procedure and you shouldn't have any trouble.

Just poking through the wiki article on fatal bear attacks, and most of the incidents listed are cases where the victim wasn't practicing basic bear safety. Traveling in back country alone, keeping bears as pets, feeding bears. And I have to ask, has anyone ever actually shot at a bear with a 9mm? It's not going to drop it right off, but in my experience bears are lazy, skittish, and dislike loud noises and strange doings. I can't help wonder if taking a few bullets of any caliber would be enough to encourage a bear to go find someone else to bother.

Moose, though, moose are freaking psychotic. Probably want to pack a bren gun or something for them.


Depends of the type of bear:
Grizzly or Polar bear don't care who you are of what you're doing. You're dead if they think you're a threat, or look tasty.
Mother bears of any species with their cubs are unpredictable. Stay away.
Brown or Black bears are less of a threat. They're still unpredictable though.
So by all means practice bear safety. Just don't let your guard down. You probably can't defend yourself against a bear with a handgun anyway.
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Re: Need some advice on a carry gun

Postby Rem700 on Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:40 pm

Probably, maybe should, pots and pans, bicycles, who makes a holster for the pots and pans and or bicycle.
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Re: Need some advice on a carry gun

Postby EJSG19 on Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:57 pm

Rem700 wrote:Probably, maybe should, pots and pans, bicycles, who makes a holster for the pots and pans and or bicycle.


:lol:

Can't defend myself with a handgun anyway? Well, if thats true, then there will be a victorious bear with a few bullet holes in his hide. Be damned if I'm going to present myself on a silver platter if a bear decides my life is over. If there is a gun on my hip, well, gee, I guess I'll try and draw it and put it into use. Sounds a whole lot better than "can't defend myself anyway."

But, pots and pans, and bear spray sound good too, as long as there is still time left to use a gun if those don't work. Which there won't be.

Guns make loud noises too don't they? Screw pots and pans.
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Re: Need some advice on a carry gun

Postby goalie on Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:59 pm

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Can't defend myself with a handgun anyway? Well, if thats true, then there will be a victorious bear with a few bullet holes in his hide. Be damned if I'm going to present myself on a silver platter if a bear decides my life is over. If there is a gun on my hip, well, gee, I guess I'll try and draw it and put it into use. Sounds a whole lot better than "can't defend myself anyway."

But, pots and pans, and bear spray sound good too, as long as there is still time left to use a gun if those don't work. Which there won't be.

Guns make loud noises too don't they? Screw pots and pans.


In the lower 48, I would ask if you wear a helmet while driving your car to work. That would have an exponentially greater chance of saving your life than a handgun in the wilderness to defend against bears would.

I wouldn't know though. I survived a lot of time in "bear country" rock climbing for weeks at a time without a handgun, as I didn't want to carry a chunk of iron up any 1-2k foot faces of sheer rock in the Wind River range....

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Re: Need some advice on a carry gun

Postby Stradawhovious on Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:51 pm

EJSG19 wrote:
Guns make loud noises too don't they? Screw pots and pans.




Yeah, but I don't know of any pots and pans that when clanged together will wound a bear to the point of being pissed off enough to tear your face off rather than just walking away.

Most hand guns will do that pretty quickly and efficiently. ;)


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Re: Need some advice on a carry gun

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Re: Need some advice on a carry gun

Postby tacticalninja32 on Fri Jan 22, 2010 10:59 pm

stick with what you know, get a 92FS or M9
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Re: Need some advice on a carry gun

Postby EJSG19 on Sat Jan 23, 2010 3:46 pm

goalie wrote:
EJSG19 wrote:
Can't defend myself with a handgun anyway? Well, if thats true, then there will be a victorious bear with a few bullet holes in his hide. Be damned if I'm going to present myself on a silver platter if a bear decides my life is over. If there is a gun on my hip, well, gee, I guess I'll try and draw it and put it into use. Sounds a whole lot better than "can't defend myself anyway."

But, pots and pans, and bear spray sound good too, as long as there is still time left to use a gun if those don't work. Which there won't be.

Guns make loud noises too don't they? Screw pots and pans.


In the lower 48, I would ask if you wear a helmet while driving your car to work. That would have an exponentially greater chance of saving your life than a handgun in the wilderness to defend against bears would.

I wouldn't know though. I survived a lot of time in "bear country" rock climbing for weeks at a time without a handgun, as I didn't want to carry a chunk of iron up any 1-2k foot faces of sheer rock in the Wind River range....

:roll:


Let the record show that I don't really have any strong feelings in this debate. Other than when its time to use a gun, I'd like to have a gun to use. All preventative measures before that are great, and probably more likely to save you. So lets look at that tiny gap of time where you are under a bear, and right before you catch the biggest right cross of your life, you have a chance to draw a gun and fire. Pots and pans and bear spray seem kinda iffy at that little snapshot of time.

Are we arguing that we'd not like to have a gun at that time?

Gosh I love speculating about things that will probably never happen.
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